[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Does the mukta/jnani see the world?

[V Subrahmanian]

Thanks Sudhanshu ji for the clarification.  If possible pl post the
Sridhari Tika.  One can convert image to text here:  Image to Text (Extract
Text From Image) <https://www.imagetotext.info/>

warm regards
subbu

On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 4:07 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste V Subramanian ji.
>
> The translation is incorrect. Sridhari TIkA explains correctly. The verse
> talks about dream within dream. A man is fast asleep and sees entire world
> within himself in dream-2. The dream-2 breaks within dream-1 and he finds
> himself in one corner (within dream-1).
>
> Such are the three states of waking etc which are only-mAyA. Therefore,
> one should always remember the drashTA thereof which is beyond.
>
> Regards.
>
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023, 15:31 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> The Bhagavatam says:  6.16,53,54:
>>
>> यथा सुषुप्त: पुरुषो विश्वं पश्यति चात्मनि ।
>> आत्मानमेकदेशस्थं मन्यते स्वप्न उत्थित: ॥ ५३ ॥
>> एवं जागरणादीनि जीवस्थानानि चात्मन: ।
>> *मायामात्राणि *विज्ञाय तद् द्रष्टारं परं स्मरेत् ॥ ५४ ॥
>>
>> When a person is in deep sleep, he dreams and sees in himself many other
>> objects, such as great mountains and rivers or perhaps even the entire
>> universe, although they are far away. Sometimes when one awakens from a
>> dream he sees that he is in a human form, lying in his bed in one place.
>> Then he sees himself, in terms of various conditions, as belonging to a
>> particular nationality, family and so on. All the conditions of deep
>> sleep,
>> dreaming and wakefulness are but energies of the Supreme Personality of
>> Godhead. One should always remember the original creator of these
>> conditions, the Supreme Lord, who is unaffected by them.
>>
>> The term 'MAyAmAtrAni'  rings with the Gaudapada Karika, Agama PrakaraNa:
>>
>> प्रपञ्चो यदि विद्येत निवर्तेत न संशयः । मायामात्रमिदं द्वैतमद्वैतं
>> परमार्थतः ॥ १७ ॥
>>
>> This is Karika for Shankara and Shruti for Madhwa.
>>
>> The Vaithathya prakarana of the Karika makes an observation that the
>> waking
>> and dream are different on these grounds:
>>
>> अन्तःस्थानात्तु भेदानां तस्माज्जागरिते स्मृतम् ।
>> यथा तत्र तथा स्वप्ने संवृतत्वेन भिद्यते ॥ ४ ॥
>>
>> जाग्रद्दृश्यानां भावानां वैतथ्यमिति प्रतिज्ञा । दृश्यत्वादिति हेतुः ।
>> स्वप्नदृश्यभाववदिति दृष्टान्तः । यथा तत्र स्वप्ने दृश्यानां भावानां
>> वैतथ्यम् , तथा जागरितेऽपि दृश्यत्वमविशिष्टमिति हेतूपनयः ।
>> तस्माज्जागरितेऽपि
>> वैतथ्यं स्मृतमिति निगमनम् । अन्तःस्थानात्संवृतत्वेन च स्वप्नदृश्यानां
>> भावानां जाग्रद्दृश्येभ्यो भेदः । दृश्यत्वमसत्यत्वं चाविशिष्टमुभयत्र ॥
>> The sameness of the dream and waking is stated with an anumAna prayoga.
>> The
>> only difference is that: The objects of the dream are 'inside' the
>> dreamer's body and also compressed. However, the sameness is on the ground
>> of both the dream and waking being drshya and asatya.
>>
>> स्वप्नजागरिते स्थाने ह्येकमाहुर्मनीषिणः ।
>> भेदानां हि समत्वेन प्रसिद्धेनैव हेतुना ॥ ५ ॥
>> प्रसिद्धेनैव भेदानां ग्राह्यत्वेन हेतुना समत्वेन
>> स्वप्नजागरितस्थानयोरेकत्वमाहुर्विवेकिन इति पूर्वप्रमाणसिद्धस्यैव फलम् ॥
>>
>> That they are observed, objectified, is common to both dream and waking.
>>
>> One can read the next few verses for a kind of an argument on the above
>> concept.
>>
>> The
>>
>> regards
>> subbu
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 3:12 PM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
>> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> > praNAms
>> >
>> > Hare Krishna
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > svapnatvaM ( for example trayee svapnaaH) is to convey the sAdrushyam
>> not
>> > to strike the absolute similarity.  Svapna being internal and confined
>> to
>> > individual and waking world being wide and outside but the sAdrushyaM is
>> > both are seen and changing, bhAshyakAra clarifies somewhere in kArikA
>> > bhAshya itself.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> >
>> > bhaskar
>> >
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