[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: [advaitin] rope has some problem in rope snake analogy :-)

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

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Namaste Subbu ji and Chandramouli ji

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> On Tue, 26 Dec, 2023, 9:44 pm V Subrahmanian, <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
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>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 4:27 PM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
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>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 4:18 PM H S Chandramouli <
>>> hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Namaste Raghav Ji,
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>>>> Reg  // How do we distinguish sAxI pratyaxa entities like "algebra",
>>>> "democracy"
>>>> etc which I understand are sat,  from asat like hare's horns which can
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>>>> be conceptualized by the mind? //,
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>>>> In my understanding, terms like "algebra", "democracy" etc are mental
>>>> concepts, not "objects". They cannot be classified as "sat" (existent).
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>>> These fall in the category of kshetram: icchaa dveshah sukham
>>> duhkham...which are all vishaya to the vishayi the sakshi. All ghaTa jnana,
>>> specific vishayaka ajnana, samshaya, etc. too are sAkshi pratyaksha and
>>> have their locus in the antahkarana/manas. Being part of the concocted
>>> world, they too are concoctions.
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>>>  कामः सङ्कल्पो विचिकित्सा श्रद्धाश्रद्धा
>>> धृतिरधृतिर्ह्रीर्धीर्भीरित्येतत्सर्वं मन एव   ...This list, not exhaustive,
>>> is termed mind itself since they occur in the mind.  Brihadaranyaka
>>> upanishad.
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>> In the Brihadaranyaka Bhashya, while expounding on what all go along with
>> the jiva in transmigration, vidya, learning/knowledge, is also stated.
>> Explaining that Anandagiri says:
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>> विहिता विद्या ध्यानात्मिका । प्रतिषिद्धा नग्नस्त्रीदर्शनादिरूपा ।
>> अविहिता घटादिविषया । अप्रतिषिद्धा पथि पतिततृणादिविषया । विहितं कर्म
>> यागादि । प्रतिषिद्धं ब्रह्महननादि । अविहितं गमनादि । अप्रतिषिद्धं
>>  नेत्रपक्ष्मविक्षेपादि ।
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>> Faculties like Algebra, etc. come under  अविहिता घटादिविषया ..  Any
>> knowledge, scriptural or otherwise, ordained or prohibited, acquired by the
>> jiva, will remain with him and will go with him upon death, and remain in
>> the subsequent births. All this is located in the antahkaranam and hence
>> objectified by the witness consciousness.
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>>>> Regards
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>>> subbu
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> Thank you for the responses.
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> Hunger, thirst, IcchA, dveSha, algebra, democracy etc., fall in the same
> category and are viShayas for the viShayin and they are as I understand
> termed sAxI pratyaxa. They fall under pratyaxa pramANa viShayas but are not
> the viShayas for the other five sense organs. They have vyAvahArika sattA
> and are not asat like horns of the hare.
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> Their locus can be said to be the antaHkaraNam itself and thus that
> distinguishes the sAxI pratyaxa viShayas from horns of a hare which don't
> have any locus.
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> Om
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