[Advaita-l] [advaitin] rAma-krishna-shiva-durga etc. are not same in shAstric vyavahAra!!!

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Venkat Ji,

Reg  <<  However there is no tAratamyatA among various forms of Ishvara.
The devI being worshipped during navarAtrI is equal to Shiva being
worshipped during shivarAtri who is equal to the Rama being worshipped
during rAmanavamI - both are forms of Ishvara only, but a particular name
and form of the Ishvara is being worshipped there, for ease of worship >>,

Yes. My understanding is also generally the same.

Regards

On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 9:17 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste Chandramouli ji,
> Thank you. Yes there is tAratamyatA among the deva-s - ie agni, indra, all
> the way up to hiraNyagarbha - because they are all ultimately jIva-s.
>
> However there is no tAratamyatA among various forms of Ishvara. The devI
> being worshipped during navarAtrI is equal to Shiva being worshipped during
> shivarAtri who is equal to the Rama being worshipped during rAmanavamI -
> both are forms of Ishvara only, but a particular name and form of the
> Ishvara is being worshipped there, for ease of worship.
>
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
>
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2023, 11:41 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Venkat Ji,
>>
>> I was thinking of, say, ** To attain Swarga Loka . one needs to perform
>> Jyotishtoma **. Now Jyotishtoma needs to be performed only with the
>> prescribed devatAs. No other alternate devatAs can be invoked. Also, for
>> some specific results like attainment of swarga loka etc, only limited
>> options are prescribed in respect of devatAs capable of leading to such
>> results. Not all devatAs have such capabilities. Hence my earlier
>> conclusion.
>>
>> It is not that there are only one unique way to attain a particular
>> result, say wealth. There could be alternate ways. But still in each
>> prescribed way, the particular devatA needs to be invoked. Any devatA is
>> not permitted. That is what I meant by saying tAratamyatA is admitted
>> amongst the devatAs.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 4:40 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Namaste Chandramouliji,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 10:52 AM H S Chandramouli <
>>> hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Namaste Venkat Ji,
>>>>
>>>> Reg  <<  The tAratamyatA (gradation) of the phala (result) is not
>>>> because of the tAratamyatA of the upAsya devatA but because of the
>>>> tAratamyatA of the sankalpa and sAdhana >>,
>>>>
>>>> In the prescribed  sankalpa and sAdhanAs  for different pUjAvidhAnAs,
>>>> the upAsya devatA  is also prescribed. Is it not ?  Hence the tAratamyatA
>>>> of the upAsya devatA is also covered.
>>>>
>>>> How so? I know you know this, but for the sake of clarity,
>>> tAratamyatA = gradation.
>>>
>>> Suppose we perform a gAyatrI japa for the attainment of wealth. Suppose
>>> also that we perform another gAyatrI japa for chittashuddhi. The upAsya
>>> devatA is the same, the karma is the same, but the desired result is
>>> different.
>>>
>>> How then can we say that the results being superior or inferior implies
>>> that the object of worship is superior or inferior, when as I have shown in
>>> the previous email, the cause of the superiority or inferiority of the
>>> results can be for factors other than the superiority or inferiority of the
>>> object of worship.
>>>
>>> To prove the presence of A by the presence of B, one will have to
>>> necessarily demonstrate that B cannot be present unless A was present.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Venkatraghavan
>>>
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