[Advaita-l] [advaitin] rAma-krishna-shiva-durga etc. are not same in shAstric vyavahAra!!!

[Kaushik Chevendra]

Another addition here is that isvara is the controller of Maya. Such
adjectives don't rest with indradi devatas

On Mon, 6 Feb, 2023, 5:30 pm Kaushik Chevendra, <chevendrakaushik at gmail.com>
wrote:

> ?     Ultimately jeeva-s!!??  kindly elaborate.  The Rigveda mantra ekaM
>> sat viprA bahudA vadanti continues to say that : agni, yamaM
>> mAtarishwAnamAhuH, those who have been addressed as : indra, mitra, varuNa,
>> agni etc. behind all these there is only one reality.  So, I think your
>> statement :  ultimately jeeva-s needs bit elaboration.
>>
> They are ultimately jeevas because they have temporary posts. Once they
> complete their karma of being Indra, Brahma etc another jeeva attains that
> post.
> Such is not the case for isvara. Isvara is eternal and unchanging not a
> post to be attained through punya karma unlike the others. In the gita
> bhasya acharya mentions that isvara has the control of all the bhutas
> starting from blade of grass to hiranyagarbha (the first born).
> Hence in vyavahara the isvara and jeeva bheda is verily present.
>
> Regards to the veda mantra,we can take gita here. Bagavan says all the
> worship of devatas are actually of me. So it's isvara who is worshipped
> through the devatas. The namas are of his. Hence the puranas and ithihasa
> constantly say that the vedas contain the glory and greatness of isvara
> alone.
>
>>
> The upasiddhAnta that I can draw from this is ( I may be wrong here)
>> Ishwara's form or vyAkruta rUpa is restricted to some specified celebrities
>> in celestial abode like devi, rAma, Krishna, shiva etc. but not IndrAdi
>> devata.  If that is the case this difference between indrAdi devata
>> (ultimately jeeva-s) and other main deva-devata  not something related to
>> upAdhi but something else!!??  Or am I missing something here??  Please
>> clarify.
>
>
> This type of question was clarified by jagadguru abhinava vidyatirtha
> swamin.
> The indradi devatas aren't forms of isvara. Once again they are jeevas
> only. It's not that "krishna" and "rama" are celebrated dieties rather they
> are the forms of isvara. Various are his forms.
> Hence the pancha Pooja is there.
> Another way is that the devatas starting from brahma are affected by
> avidya. Infact acharya Shankara states in his upanishad bhasya that brahma
> is afflicted with fear etc. In the case of isvara, he is perfect and not
> affected by avidya.
>
>
>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> bhaskar
>>
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