[Advaita-l] [advaitin] rAma-krishna-shiva-durga etc. are not same in shAstric vyavahAra!!!

[V Subrahmanian]

Yes Suresh ji, in the scheme of Shanmata, six deities, those who hold any
of these as their ishta devata, consider that devata to be the
jagatkaaranam Brahman and that they are vishwarupa. There are puranic
descriptions of the vishwa rupa of these deities.

The 'namaH savitrE jagadEka-chakShuShE jagat prasUti sthithi nAsha
hEtave...virinchi narayana shankarAtmanE' addressed to Surya in our TrikAla
SandhyAvandanam says Surya is the Jagat kAraNam. That way the Jagat is his
RUpa, vishvarUpa.  In various Puranas Skanda is stated to be the
JagatkAraNam. The Ganesha purana holds that the Trimurtis have their origin
in that God. There is a Surya shatakam which holds that the Trimurtis are
actually Surya. The Skanda Purana holds that Skanda is the Creator. Here is
a Kannada article full of citations on Skanda is Para Brahman:
https://adbhutam.files.wordpress.com/2021/03/f-skanda-is-brahman-kan.pdf

Also, the Mundakopanishad says: A Brahmajnani when prayed for Moksha, the
aspirant will get it. There the Jnani is stated to be 'one in whom the
world/creatoin rests.'

regards
subbu






On Wed, 8 Feb 2023, 11:15 pm suresh srinivasamurthy via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Advaitins,
>
> Here is my 2 paise worth:
>
> IMO, as Ishwara is sarva shakta and sarva vyApi, he can be realised
> through any name/form.
>
> But still tradition mainly considers Shiva/Vishnu as the deities stand for
> atma/truth and vishwa/dharma tattva respectively.
> Realizing the identity between these two leads to true "selflessness" or
> Brahma bhAva.
>
> IMO Vishwaroopatva of Ishwara / Looking upon the entire universe as the
> body of Ishwara as described in BGita 11-13,
> is the stepping stone for Advaitic realization as it includes/intergrates
> all particulars.
>
> So whatever may be one's Ishta devata - it should be become the entire
> universe for the devotee.
>
> तत्रैकस्थं जगत्कृत्स्नं प्रविभक्तमनेकधा ।
> अपश्यद्देवदेवस्य शरीरे पाण्डवस्तदा ॥
>
> Regards,
> Suresh
> ________________________________
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> of Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
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> Cc: Kaushik Chevendra <chevendrakaushik at gmail.com>; Advaitin <
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> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] rAma-krishna-shiva-durga etc. are not
> same in shAstric vyavahAra!!!
>
> Namaste sir.
>
> >
> > .
> >
> > >  If this is really a traditional stand then we have to exclude
> > Subramanya / shaNmukha as Ishwara as he is not included or listed  in
> > paNchAyatana pooja but considered only in shaNmata
>
> Thats is because shanmuka is a jeeva. Infact in acharyas bhasya itself that
> shanmuka became rudras son due to a boon and he is sanatkumara Rishi.
>
> > 😊 And sUrya one of the paNchAyatana devata-s has been following the
> > orders of some other higher Chaitanya in fear !! as per taittireeya,
> like
> > other devatas agni, indra and vAyu ( bheeshAsmAvAtaH pavate, bhishOdeti
> > sUryaH etc. ) he too obey the order of his boss.  So sUrya must be having
> > karma/puNya janita temporary shareera / post.
>
> Yes. This is true. Surya Deva is a jeeva only. Shri jagadguru
> chandrashekhara Bharathi swamin has clarified this in his talks. If you
> wish to read it, i shall share the book.
> From Surya to hiranyagarbha all the jeevas attain the post due to karma
> which is given by isvara. But isvara is i always the ruler as shri
> shankaracharya quotes Krishna's statment from gita in his bsb bhasya to
> prove this point. Acharya says that the jeevas are eternal part of isvara
> who is the ruler and all the jeevas are ruled.
> Then why is Surya Deva included in the pachadeva Pooja. It is because his
> upasana as saguna brahman has been prescribed in the Shruthi. And also
> Surya is a viboothi of narayana (surya Narayana). Infact shankaracharya
> himself has said Surya attains mukthi after the exhaustion of punya. But in
> the case of isvara there is no karma to be exhausted.
>
>   And devi's avataara like mAtru bhagini bhaginyAdi devata),sapta mAtruka
> > and vinAyaka ( bhUta gaNa in shiva parivAra) etc. also to be ignored as
> > they are taamasi devata.  And though from the tip of the devi's nails
> > nArayANAdi dashaakruti emerging ( karAnguli nakhOtpanna narAyaNa
> > dashAkrutiH) devi's other avatAra like chandi, chAmundi, Bhadra kAli etc.
> > not fit to be worshipped considering them in IshvarOpAdhi.  When it comes
> > to avatara of Ishwara and which is mentioned in shAstra, is bit confusing
> > since shAstra says yadA yadAhi dharmasya glAnirbhavati I will be there to
> > protect dharma, shishta rakshaNa, dushta shikshaNa assures lord,  so his
> > avatAra might be Ananta sahasra not restricted to ONLY dashAvatAra....how
> > to reconcile all this  and still stick to particular name and form of
> ONLY
> > five devata-s and conclude ONLY panchAyatana devata-s as Ishwara!!??
> >
> Very simple, has the shastra declared these dietys as forms of isvara? If
> so, one can happily worship them. If not the no. Quite simple
>
> >
> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > bhaskar
> >
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