[Advaita-l] Fwd: Brahman has no default form; Only contextual form - Varaha Purana

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Even to be embodied (janma) usually requires prArabdha. But not so for
Krishna, Rama etc. That is the whole point of avatAra-vAda which is
accepted by all acharyas.

So when janma is possible without prArabdha, so also the other
ramifications like pain, hunger etc.



On Tue, 28 Feb, 2023, 6:23 pm Raghav Kumar Dwivedula, <
raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <raghavkumar00 at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb, 2023, 6:23 pm
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fwd: Brahman has no default form; Only contextual
> form - Varaha Purana
> To: Kaushik Chevendra <chevendrakaushik at gmail.com>
>
>
> The concept of Leela takes care of the paradox of the AptakAma Ishvara
> experiencing (as though) hunger, pain etc.
>
> Rama wept when Sita was kidnapped. That does not militate against his
> freedom from avidyA and prArabdha.
>
> So hunger and pain can be as though present (for all practical purposes)
> even for avatAras.
>
> On Tue, 28 Feb, 2023, 4:52 pm Kaushik Chevendra, <
> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Namaste sir.
>> The difference is quite simple. Even if we accept bagavans shareera as
>> bhautika. The feeling of hunger, pain ,death etc are all effects of
>> prarbdha karma. No pain can be experienced without any prarabdha karma. So
>> if we want to say that bagavan had experienced hunger, pain in his body. We
>> will have to admit that there is prarabdha karma for bagavan. Which is not
>> at all acceptable
>>
>> On Tue, 28 Feb, 2023, 3:22 pm Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l, <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Sri Krishna was "as though born endowed with a body" (dehavAniva
>>> jAtaH) etc, as though ate, as though died etc. But the sharira through
>>> which he manifested the Leela was not "as though born", "as though
>>> cremated
>>> by Arjuna," etc. Its unnecessarily to say that about the bhautika sharIra
>>> through which Sri Krishna, a manifestation of Ishvara, was anything other
>>> than bhautika. The fact that the sharIra was available for cremation by
>>> Arjuna is conclusive evidence for it's bhautikatvaM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Feb, 2023, 1:01 pm Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l, <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I am aware of the fact that it is not bhautika. But such a body was
>>> > >> 'conceived' in the womb, delivered, grew up, became old, etc.
>>> There is
>>> > >> also a mention in the Bhagavatam that Krishna was even wounded by
>>> arrows
>>> > >> and bled.
>>> > >
>>> > > The bhautika element of bhagavan's body is only till the fact that
>>> it's a
>>> > > part of prakriti and not completely different from him.
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > Please read as "not completely different from prakriti".
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >>
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