[Advaita-l] [advaitin] RE: The fate of mind after realization

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Rao Ji,

Reg  <<  In BG the stitha prajna, kshetrajna, parabhakta, gunateeta - all
these states seem to be different ways to express the state of one
experiencing atmanubhava  >>,

The moment we say ** one experiencing atmanubhava **,  we are in triputi,
accepting the distinction of  Experiencer, Experienced and  Experience.
**aham** is considered as distinct from  manas , and identifies itself with
Manas. But  as a result of  jnAna,   everything is cognized as nondistinct
 from *Ananda* which is AtmasvarUpa. Hence the experience of unbounded
Ananda in this state.

** stitha prajna, kshetrajna, parabhakta, gunateeta ** can have,  and do
alternate between,  two states at will, one termed NS (of Advaita
 Sidhanta, not to be confused with the NS of Yoga Shastra) and the other
termed vyAvaharika. They do so effortlessly, because the change is due to
jnAna. What is stated above , ** one experiencing atmanubhava  **,  is
experiential Ananda, and is relevant in the latter category namely
vyAvahArika state. In the former case, NS of Advaita Siddhanta,  there is
no triputi of  ** Experiencer, Experienced and  Experience**,  there is no
experience as such, and  mind **becomes**  or **assumes** the form of Atman
itself.

This is my understanding.

Regards
Chandramouli

On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 8:02 PM VTCS Rao via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Chandramouli ji
>
> As Sankara says "mano buddhi ahankara chittani naaham", atmanubhava
> recognizes that it is beyond these (manah etc)
>
> In BG the stitha prajna, kshetrajna, parabhakta, gunateeta - all these
> states seem to be different ways to express the state of one experiencing
> atmanubhava. Hari 🕉
>
> Best Regards/  VTCS
>
>
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> Cc: H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] RE:  The fate of mind after realization
>
> Namaste Sunil Ji,
>
> Reg  <<  *The Sthitaprajna or the Jivanmukta knows this very well  and his
> or her manah is not affected by the illusionary Vyavaharika world,i.e., he
> or she is in  the manah-shunya state >>,*
>
> When his or her manah is not affected by the *illusionary Vyavaharika *
> world,
> what **exists**  and is experienced as such by him/her  is just
> Atman/Brahman and not shunya/void.  That represents sarvAtmabhAva. Atman
> being AnandasvarUpa,  why not say   << *he or she is in  the manah-Ananda
>  state >>.*
>
> Regards
>
> Chandramouli
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:53 PM sunil bhattacharjya <
> skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear friends,
> >
> > There was a slip of pen. Please read the last sentence as follows:
> >
> > * The Sthitaprajna or the Jivanmukta knows this very well  and his or her
> > manah is not affected by the illusionary Vyavaharika world,i.e., he or
> she
> > is in  the manah-shunya state.*
> >
> > Best
> > skb
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 8:35 PM sunil bhattacharjya <
> > skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Sreenivasa Murthyji,
> >>
> >> Are you joking?
> >>
> >> In case you really got confused by reading my mail, let me assure you
> >> that the upanishad talks about the Manah-Shunya state of the Jnani, who
> >> reaches the state of Asamprajna Samadhi (or Nirvikalpa samadhi).
> >>
> >> Anyway, let me simplify it a bit. In the beginning of the Original
> >> Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna told Arjuna at the very beginning of the
> >> Original Bhagavad Gita  that what was there in the past or what would be
> >> there in future is not there now and that implies   what is now is as
> good
> >> as not there, i.e., the  Vyavaharika world is illusionary.  The
> >> Sthitaprajna or the Jivanmukta knows this very well  and his or her
> manah
> >> is not affected by the illusionary Vyavaharika world,i.e., he or she is
> the
> >> manah-shunya state.
> >>
> >> My 2 cents
> >> skb
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 5:43 PM 'sreenivasa murthy' via advaitin <
> >> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Sri Sunil Bhattachariya,
> >>>
> >>>  Your 2cents coiin which you have offered is a KhOTA coin.
> >>> When it is tested in the laboratary of Upanishads it will be found so.
> >>> It is a useless one.
> >>>
> >>> ahamevEdagM sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-1
> >>> AtmaivEdagM sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-2
> >>> AtmA advaitaH || Mandukya mantra7
> >>> Please study and these mantras with Sri Shankara's commentary
> >>> and ponder over in depth.
> >>> You yourself will realize that the statement of yours is  erroneous.
> >>>
> >>> Who is a Jivanmukta?
> >>> Is he an entity?
> >>> Have you enquired?
> >>>
> >>> With respectful pranams,
> >>> Sreenivasa Murthy
> >>>
> >>> On Monday, 23 January, 2023 at 04:53:57 pm GMT, sunil bhattacharjya <
> >>> skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Akileshji and friends,
> >>>
> >>> There you are. The Jivanmukta achieves the *Manah-Shunya state*, and
> >>> eventually gets liberated when he or she leaves the physical and the
> >>> Sukshma bodies.
> >>>
> >>> My 2 cents
> >>> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 8:08 AM Akilesh Ayyar <
> >>> akilesh at siftingtothetruth.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I’ll just note in this discussion that as far as Ramana Maharshi’s
> views
> >>> — or rather my interpretation of them — the mind is ‘gone’ in the sense
> >>> that it never existed. The whole egoic point of view is what sees both
> >>> ignorance and the removal of ignorance, the mind ‘before’ the search
> and
> >>> ‘after’ it. Asking whether the jnani’s mind continues after jnana is
> itself
> >>> based in the wrong point of view; the question is founded on wrong
> >>> assumptions. That is the point.
> >>>
> >>> Akilesh Ayyar
> >>> Spiritual guidance -
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