[Advaita-l] [advaitin] RE: The fate of mind after realization

[Raja Krishnamurti]

If anyone has qualms about any issue, Pl. provide exact slokam and the scripture where I can find it. I am not going to follow unless it is shown in the scriptures. Even there as in Vedas particularly in Rig there is an inner meaning that must be understood than going only be external meaning.
Best Regards,
Raja Krishnamurti

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2023, at 9:48 AM, sunil bhattacharjya via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Chandramouliji,
> 
> you posed the question:
> 
> why not say   << *he or she is in  the manah-Ananda  state >>*
> 
> I regret to have to state that you have not understood the concept of
> *Manah-Shunya* at all. When Jnana dawns in the yogi and he fully realizes
> the impermanence of the Vyavahaika world, his Ahamkara reduces and finally
> a stage comes when his interaction with the Vyavaharika world vanishes and
> the activity of the Manah becomes defunct or nil.
> 
> Jai Shri Krishnajiki
> skb
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 1:20 AM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Namaste Sunil Ji,
>> 
>> Reg  <<  *The Sthitaprajna or the Jivanmukta knows this very well  and
>> his or her manah is not affected by the illusionary Vyavaharika
>> world,i.e., he or she is in  the manah-shunya state >>,*
>> 
>> When his or her manah is not affected by the *illusionary Vyavaharika * world,
>> what **exists**  and is experienced as such by him/her  is just
>> Atman/Brahman and not shunya/void.  That represents sarvAtmabhAva. Atman
>> being AnandasvarUpa,  why not say   << *he or she is in  the manah-Ananda
>> state >>.*
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Chandramouli
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:53 PM sunil bhattacharjya <
>> skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear friends,
>>> 
>>> There was a slip of pen. Please read the last sentence as follows:
>>> 
>>> * The Sthitaprajna or the Jivanmukta knows this very well  and his or her
>>> manah is not affected by the illusionary Vyavaharika world,i.e., he or she
>>> is in  the manah-shunya state.*
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> skb
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 8:35 PM sunil bhattacharjya <
>>> skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Sreenivasa Murthyji,
>>>> 
>>>> Are you joking?
>>>> 
>>>> In case you really got confused by reading my mail, let me assure you
>>>> that the upanishad talks about the Manah-Shunya state of the Jnani, who
>>>> reaches the state of Asamprajna Samadhi (or Nirvikalpa samadhi).
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, let me simplify it a bit. In the beginning of the Original
>>>> Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna told Arjuna at the very beginning of the
>>>> Original Bhagavad Gita  that what was there in the past or what would be
>>>> there in future is not there now and that implies   what is now is as good
>>>> as not there, i.e., the  Vyavaharika world is illusionary.  The
>>>> Sthitaprajna or the Jivanmukta knows this very well  and his or her manah
>>>> is not affected by the illusionary Vyavaharika world,i.e., he or she is the
>>>> manah-shunya state.
>>>> 
>>>> My 2 cents
>>>> skb
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 5:43 PM 'sreenivasa murthy' via advaitin <
>>>> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Sri Sunil Bhattachariya,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your 2cents coiin which you have offered is a KhOTA coin.
>>>>> When it is tested in the laboratary of Upanishads it will be found so.
>>>>> It is a useless one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ahamevEdagM sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-1
>>>>> AtmaivEdagM sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-2
>>>>> AtmA advaitaH || Mandukya mantra7
>>>>> Please study and these mantras with Sri Shankara's commentary
>>>>> and ponder over in depth.
>>>>> You yourself will realize that the statement of yours is  erroneous.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Who is a Jivanmukta?
>>>>> Is he an entity?
>>>>> Have you enquired?
>>>>> 
>>>>> With respectful pranams,
>>>>> Sreenivasa Murthy
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Monday, 23 January, 2023 at 04:53:57 pm GMT, sunil bhattacharjya <
>>>>> skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Akileshji and friends,
>>>>> 
>>>>> There you are. The Jivanmukta achieves the *Manah-Shunya state*, and
>>>>> eventually gets liberated when he or she leaves the physical and the
>>>>> Sukshma bodies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My 2 cents
>>>>> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 8:08 AM Akilesh Ayyar <
>>>>> akilesh at siftingtothetruth.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ll just note in this discussion that as far as Ramana Maharshi’s
>>>>> views — or rather my interpretation of them — the mind is ‘gone’ in the
>>>>> sense that it never existed. The whole egoic point of view is what sees
>>>>> both ignorance and the removal of ignorance, the mind ‘before’ the search
>>>>> and ‘after’ it. Asking whether the jnani’s mind continues after jnana is
>>>>> itself based in the wrong point of view; the question is founded on wrong
>>>>> assumptions. That is the point.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Akilesh Ayyar
>>>>> Spiritual guidance - http://www.siftingtothetruth.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>>>> Groups "advaitin" group.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
>>>>> an email to advaitin+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/CAJbmbsFk0Q2eMaksLrcJ91aXg4o2ZdrkD5edsxPuvDW9B1Mczg%40mail.gmail.com
>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/CAJbmbsFk0Q2eMaksLrcJ91aXg4o2ZdrkD5edsxPuvDW9B1Mczg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
>>>>> .
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>>>> Groups "advaitin" group.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
>>>>> an email to advaitin+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/CAP4HB99%3D0G%3DH%3DkMuLgXRPKGUG53GyDQC6davUkUoKP9oPwg0QA%40mail.gmail.com
>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/CAP4HB99%3D0G%3DH%3DkMuLgXRPKGUG53GyDQC6davUkUoKP9oPwg0QA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
>>>>> .
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>>>> Groups "advaitin" group.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
>>>>> an email to advaitin+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/1268199434.628214.1674524553470%40mail.yahoo.com
>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/1268199434.628214.1674524553470%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
>>>>> .
>>>>> 
>>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>>> "advaitin" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>>> email to advaitin+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/CAP4HB9-qpi47JAHroL3JtKdbxQsuzzWEDAnA45jWKrdtO%2BuM2Q%40mail.gmail.com
>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/CAP4HB9-qpi47JAHroL3JtKdbxQsuzzWEDAnA45jWKrdtO%2BuM2Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
>>> .
>>> 
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "advaitin" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>> email to advaitin+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/CAEs%2B%2BdOQN3dSWm0idxprgaZ2kYrXEDQWRjz4KaXW2rkENZzCHQ%40mail.gmail.com
>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/CAEs%2B%2BdOQN3dSWm0idxprgaZ2kYrXEDQWRjz4KaXW2rkENZzCHQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
>> .
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Archives: https://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/
> 
> To unsubscribe or change your options:
> https://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
> 
> For assistance, contact:
> listmaster at advaita-vedanta.org