[Advaita-l] [advaitin] RE: The fate of mind after realization

[Ganesh B]

Namaste all,

I am new here. I would like to humbly contribute to this discussion with
some of my thoughts. Thanks for the opportunity.

The Self has no vichara. That which makes the enquiry is the ego.
The ‘I’ about which the enquiry is made is also the ego. As the result of
the enquiry the ego ceases to exist and only the Self is found to exist.

~ Ramana Maharshi

यथा बुद्ध्याद्याहृतस्य शब्दाद्यर्थस्य अविक्रिय एव सन्
बुद्धिवृत्त्यविवेकविज्ञानेन अविद्यया उपलब्धा आत्मा कल्प्यते, एवमेव
आत्मानात्मविवेकज्ञानेन बुद्धिवृत्त्या विद्यया असत्यरूपयैव परमार्थतः
अविक्रिय एव आत्मा विद्वानुच्यते ।

~ Shankara Bh Gita 2.21

The essence of this passage by Shankara is that there are two possibilities
where the Self is erroneously understood as a 'knower'.

1. Due to (ajnana) lack of discrimination (viveka) bw Atma-Anatma (self and
non-self). The self sees various objects and understands oneself as the
'knower' of various sense objects.

2. Similarly, the self, even with discrimination (viveka) even with Jnana,
bw Self and Non-self (Atma-Anatma) understands oneself as the 'knower' of
the (true) Self.

But neither is true as the Self is beyond the Pramata Prameya.

The Self is the knower (sarvajnatvam) of even 'knowing' and 'not knowing'.
And remains unaffected by both the phenomena of knowing the self and of not
knowing the self.

The body continues to operate and there is a natural intelligence that
facilitates the operations of day to day activities of the body. When the
body feels hungry it has the natural intelligence that prompts the body to
eat and when you have to cross a road there is a natural intelligence that
operates in safely crossing the road amidst the traffic.

आत्मा असंहतः (Shankara Bh Gita 2.21) - Atma has no relation whatsoever with
the body mind complex.

So the question such as what happens to the mind of a Jnani does not arise
at all. Only from an onlookers point of view, it seems that a jnani is
engaged in thinking and performing various activities.

As Ramana Maharshi said - "There is no 'Jnani' there is only 'Jnanam'

Both Shankara and Ramana have shown by their teachings the same truth.

यस्यमतं तस्य मतं मतं यस्य न वेद सः।
अविज्ञातं विजानतां विज्ञातमविजानताम् ॥

(Kenopanishad)

It is known by those who know it not. And it is not known by those who know.

It (remains) unknown for a (real) 'knower' and known for the  'non-knower'.

“கண்டவர் விண்டிலர்
விண்டவர் கண்டிலர்”

Kandavar vindilar
Vindavar kandilar

one who has seen, doesn’t speak of it. And one who speaks of it, hasn’t
seen it.

Namaskarams

On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, 14:06 H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Sunil Ji,
>
> Reg  <<  When Jnana dawns in the yogi and he fully realizes
> the impermanence of the Vyavahaika world, his Ahamkara reduces and finally
> a stage comes when his interaction with the Vyavaharika world vanishes and
> the activity of the Manah becomes defunct or nil  >>,
>
> Can you please give a reference to any text wherein this concept has been
> elaborated.
>
> Regards
>
> Chandramouli
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 11:18 PM sunil bhattacharjya via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear Chandramouliji,
> >
> > you posed the question:
> >
> > why not say   << *he or she is in  the manah-Ananda  state >>*
> >
> > I regret to have to state that you have not understood the concept of
> > *Manah-Shunya* at all. When Jnana dawns in the yogi and he fully realizes
> > the impermanence of the Vyavahaika world, his Ahamkara reduces and
> finally
> > a stage comes when his interaction with the Vyavaharika world vanishes
> and
> > the activity of the Manah becomes defunct or nil.
> >
> > Jai Shri Krishnajiki
> > skb
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 1:20 AM H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Namaste Sunil Ji,
> > >
> > > Reg  <<  *The Sthitaprajna or the Jivanmukta knows this very well  and
> > > his or her manah is not affected by the illusionary Vyavaharika
> > > world,i.e., he or she is in  the manah-shunya state >>,*
> > >
> > > When his or her manah is not affected by the *illusionary Vyavaharika *
> > world,
> > > what **exists**  and is experienced as such by him/her  is just
> > > Atman/Brahman and not shunya/void.  That represents sarvAtmabhAva.
> Atman
> > > being AnandasvarUpa,  why not say   << *he or she is in  the
> manah-Ananda
> > >  state >>.*
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Chandramouli
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:53 PM sunil bhattacharjya <
> > > skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear friends,
> > >>
> > >> There was a slip of pen. Please read the last sentence as follows:
> > >>
> > >> * The Sthitaprajna or the Jivanmukta knows this very well  and his or
> > her
> > >> manah is not affected by the illusionary Vyavaharika world,i.e., he or
> > she
> > >> is in  the manah-shunya state.*
> > >>
> > >> Best
> > >> skb
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 8:35 PM sunil bhattacharjya <
> > >> skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Dear Sreenivasa Murthyji,
> > >>>
> > >>> Are you joking?
> > >>>
> > >>> In case you really got confused by reading my mail, let me assure you
> > >>> that the upanishad talks about the Manah-Shunya state of the Jnani,
> who
> > >>> reaches the state of Asamprajna Samadhi (or Nirvikalpa samadhi).
> > >>>
> > >>> Anyway, let me simplify it a bit. In the beginning of the Original
> > >>> Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna told Arjuna at the very beginning of the
> > >>> Original Bhagavad Gita  that what was there in the past or what would
> > be
> > >>> there in future is not there now and that implies   what is now is as
> > good
> > >>> as not there, i.e., the  Vyavaharika world is illusionary.  The
> > >>> Sthitaprajna or the Jivanmukta knows this very well  and his or her
> > manah
> > >>> is not affected by the illusionary Vyavaharika world,i.e., he or she
> > is the
> > >>> manah-shunya state.
> > >>>
> > >>> My 2 cents
> > >>> skb
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 5:43 PM 'sreenivasa murthy' via advaitin <
> > >>> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Dear Sri Sunil Bhattachariya,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Your 2cents coiin which you have offered is a KhOTA coin.
> > >>>> When it is tested in the laboratary of Upanishads it will be found
> so.
> > >>>> It is a useless one.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ahamevEdagM sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-1
> > >>>> AtmaivEdagM sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-2
> > >>>> AtmA advaitaH || Mandukya mantra7
> > >>>> Please study and these mantras with Sri Shankara's commentary
> > >>>> and ponder over in depth.
> > >>>> You yourself will realize that the statement of yours is  erroneous.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Who is a Jivanmukta?
> > >>>> Is he an entity?
> > >>>> Have you enquired?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> With respectful pranams,
> > >>>> Sreenivasa Murthy
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Monday, 23 January, 2023 at 04:53:57 pm GMT, sunil bhattacharjya
> <
> > >>>> skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dear Akileshji and friends,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There you are. The Jivanmukta achieves the *Manah-Shunya state*, and
> > >>>> eventually gets liberated when he or she leaves the physical and the
> > >>>> Sukshma bodies.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My 2 cents
> > >>>> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 8:08 AM Akilesh Ayyar <
> > >>>> akilesh at siftingtothetruth.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I’ll just note in this discussion that as far as Ramana Maharshi’s
> > >>>> views — or rather my interpretation of them — the mind is ‘gone’ in
> > the
> > >>>> sense that it never existed. The whole egoic point of view is what
> > sees
> > >>>> both ignorance and the removal of ignorance, the mind ‘before’ the
> > search
> > >>>> and ‘after’ it. Asking whether the jnani’s mind continues after
> jnana
> > is
> > >>>> itself based in the wrong point of view; the question is founded on
> > wrong
> > >>>> assumptions. That is the point.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Akilesh Ayyar
> > >>>> Spiritual guidance - http://www.siftingtothetruth.com/
> > >>>>
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