[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: [advaitin] RE: The fate of mind after realization

[sunil bhattacharjya]

Dear Sadanandaji, Namaste

You also asked a very interesting question:
 *Did Krishna have the mind to teach Arjuna or not? *

Lord Krishna is considered to be the Purna Brahma avatara. After the
Mahabharata war ended, Arjuna requested Lord Krishna to give the discourse
on the Bhagavad Gita, to him once again. The Lord expressed his inability
to do that and said that he gave the earlier discourse (which also included
the showing of the Vishva-roopa) when he was in a Yogayukta state. The mind
of the Brahman is super-mind and we should not compare that with the mind
of the ordinary people like us. I understand Shri Aurobindo talked about
Super-Mind, but I am not a strict follower of him.

Jai Shri Krishna
Sunil KB

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 9:40 PM sunil bhattacharjya <
skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Sadanandaji - Namaste
>
> You wrote as follows:
> The question focuses on the Jnaani. Your statement appears to imply that
> Jnaani after abiding in the knowledge will not have a mind or something
> like that.
>
> You also got me wrong. Chandramouliji contested the Manah-shunya state, by
> saying that Instead of the yogi being Manah-Shunya he should have been
> Manah-Ananda.  My reply was to say that he was wrong.
>
> With the background that the Buddhi has, the Ahamkara develops the
> attachment/bonding/desire with the Vyavaharika world, and accordingly
> reacts with the vyavaharika world, through the Manah (the atirindriya),
> engaging  the Jnanendriyas and the Karmendriyas (as needed), with the
> Vyavaharika world.
>
> Now, when the *Jnana* dawns in the Buddhi through *(i)* the grace of the
> Guru, *(ii)* and / or through reading  the scriptures like the Vedas and
> the Upanishads or the Ramayana and the Mahabharata etc., *(III)* and
> followed by the appropriate meditation, the Ahamkara/Ego decreases and
> consequently the attachment for the Vyvaharika world also disappears. Once
> the attachment for the Vyavaharika world vanishes there is no role left
> for the Manah and that is the *Manah-Shunya state*.
>
> Hope this is clear now.
>
> Jai Shri Krishna
> Sunil KB
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 9:38 PM sunil bhattacharjya <
> skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sadanandaji - Namaste
>>
>> You wrote as follows:
>> The question focuses on the Jnaani. Your statement appears to imply that
>> Jnaani after abiding in the knowledge will not have a mind or something
>> like that.
>>
>> You also got me wrong. Chandramouliji contested the Manah-shunya state,
>> by saying that Instead of the yogi being Manah-Shunya he should have been
>> Manah-Ananda.  My reply was to say that he was wrong.
>>
>> With the background that the Buddhi has, the Ahamkara develops the
>> attachment/bonding/desire with the Vyavaharika world, and accordingly
>> reacts with the vyavaharika world, through the Manah (the atirindriya),
>> engaging  the Jnanendriyas and the Karmendriyas (as needed), with the
>> Vyavaharika world.
>>
>> Now, when the *Jnana* dawns in the Buddhi through *(i)* the grace of the
>> Guru, *(ii)* and / or through reading  the scriptures like the Vedas and
>> the Upanishads or the Ramayana and the Mahabharata etc., *(III)* and
>> followed by the appropriate meditation, the Ahamkara/Ego decreases and
>> consequently the attachment for the Vyvaharika world also disappears. Once
>> the attachment for the Vyavaharika world vanishes there is no role left
>> for the Manah and that is the *Manah-Shunya state*.
>>
>> Hope this is clear now.
>>
>> Jai Shri Krishna
>> Sunil KB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 7:01 PM Kuntimaddi Sadananda <
>> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sunilji - PraNAms
>>>
>>> Just for your information. Shree Chandramouliji is well-read person and
>>> I have learned a lot from him through his contributions to the Advaital
>>> list. You may not be familiar with his contributions.
>>>
>>> The question he posed based on your statement is correct.  I also agree
>>> with his assessment.
>>>
>>>
>>> The question concerns not about the meaning of manah and that it is part
>>> of anthahkarana.
>>>
>>>
>>> The question focuses on the Jnaani. Your statement appears to imply that
>>> Jnaani after abiding in the knowledge will not have a mind or something
>>> like that.
>>>
>>> Question - Did Krishna have the mind to teach Arjuna or not?
>>>
>>> Our understanding is that Jnaani uses his body, mind and intellect for
>>> loka kalyanam - BMI will be there until praarabda gets exhausted. The Lord
>>> will maintain the BMI to insure that those who are seeking knowledge will
>>> have an opportunity to learn.
>>>
>>> After seeing your mail, thought I should respond.
>>>
>>> Hari Om!
>>> Sadananda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:16:15 PM GMT+5:30, sunil bhattacharjya
>>> via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr. Chandramouli,
>>>
>>> It will nice if you please don't hesitate to tell me a bit about your
>>> background, as I am wondering why you are not being able to understand
>>> the
>>> very simple meaning of the sanskrit word *"Manah.* Understanding what is
>>> *Manah* is very crucial for understanding *Sankhya*, which was  taught by
>>> the *Sage Kapila, an avatara of Lord Vishnu*. The *Manah* is a part of
>>> our *Subtle
>>> Body or Sukshma shareera*, and it is the* Mahah*, which makes us interact
>>> with the Vyavaharika world.  That is why the concept of *Manah-shunya*
>>> concept is so very important.
>>>
>>> If you can't agree with my view, we can surely  agree to disagree.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> skb
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 12:08 AM H S Chandramouli <
>>> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Namaste Sunil Ji,
>>> >
>>> > I  asked for a reference to any text wherein the concept of
>>> > *Manah-Shunya* is elaborated. Instead of providing this, you are
>>> directing
>>> > me to a site which does not show anything except the two words **मनः**
>>> in
>>> > sanskrit and **mana** in english !!! That too you mention **In
>>> Sankhya**. I
>>> > dont know what you mean by this. I thought we are discussing about
>>> > Advaita Siddhanta.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway I am stopping with this.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 12:13 AM sunil bhattacharjya via Advaita-l <
>>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Chandramouliji,
>>> >>
>>> >> In Sankhya you will find what manah (मनः
>>> >> <https://translate.glosbe.com/en-sa/mind>) is, and how it is a part
>>> of
>>> >> the
>>> >> Sukshma sarrera and how Manah controls the Indriyas.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best
>>> >> skb
>>> >>
>>> >>
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