[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** RE: [advaitin] Re: Gaudapada and Shankara say: the world is imagined by the jiva through avidya

[Bhaskar YR]

praNAms Sri Subbu prabhuji
Hare Krishna

Let us get more clarity on this instead of mere statements.  Would you please explain in detail what exactly is baadhaayaam saamaanaadhikaranyam in the context of baadha (sublation) of mithyA prapancha and how it is relevant in this discussion of ‘kevala Kalpita prapancha’ ??

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!
bhaskar

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

What you are saying as the words of Sri SSS is not new to Shankara.  He has already said that in the BG bhashya;

ब्रह्मार्पणं ब्रह्म हविर्ब्रह्माग्नौ ब्रह्मणा हुतम् ।
ब्रह्मैव तेन गन्तव्यं ब्रह्मकर्मसमाधिना ॥ २४ ॥

ब्रह्म अर्पणं येन करणेन ब्रह्मवित् हविः अग्नौ अर्पयति तत् ब्रह्मैव इति पश्यति, तस्य आत्मव्यतिरेकेण अभावं पश्यति, यथा शुक्तिकायां रजताभावं पश्यति ; तदुच्यते ब्रह्मैव अर्पणमिति, यथा यद्रजतं तत् शुक्तिकैवेति ।
Shankara says: Just as one would see the abhaava of silver in shell, here too the Jnani's drushti will be: the abhaava of the dvaita prapancha in Brahman. He gives the equation: that which is silver is shell.

This equation is called: baadhaayaam saamaanaadhikaranyam.  Thus, the mithya dvaita prapancha is equated to Brahman only upon negating, baadhaa, of the mithya prapancha.

Sri SSS has also said this alone.  The explicit expression of the mithyatva of the world cannot be avoided at any cost in Shankara and Gaudapada's texts.  Shankara invariably gives the rajjusarpa, shuktirajata, svapna, magician analogies while saying this. Thus you can see that I have not misrepresented or twisted Sri SSS's statements.

regards
subbu


On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 1:13 PM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <advaitin at googlegroups.com<mailto:advaitin at googlegroups.com>> wrote:
praNAms Sri Subbu prabhuji
Hare Krishna

I hope you can understand Kannada which I have typed in English 😊 vikalpavellavannu brahma tattvavAgiye tiLidu kollabeku emba maatinalli dvaitavaagi vikalpadinda kaaNuttiruvudannu ‘ekarUpavaagi’ brahma tattvavAgi tilidu kola beku endu baayibittu heluttiddare Sri SSS adannu tiruchi neevu nimmade arthavannu aa vakyagaLalli tumbuttiddira…I cannot help it but to stop this discussion with you.  Anyway final attempt from my side what Sri SSS said in Kannada :


  1.  ‘kArya-kAraNa bhAvavu ‘nijavaagi brahmave ( the ‘bhAva’ if kArya-kAraNa in reality brahman only)
  2.  ‘avidyAdrushtiyinda namma munde enenu kaaNisuttiruvadO edellavu brahmave’ ( those which you are cognizing in front of you as dvaita in reality it is brahman only)
  3.  ‘hindiruvudu brahmave, balakku, edakku, mele, keelage  ellavu varishTavAda brahmave’ ( behind, front, right, left, top bottom all these are supreme brahman only (varishTa brahma)
  4.  ‘.  Brahmavallavendu naavu ariyuvudellavu haggadalliruva haavinarivinante avidyeyindaada vikalpa maatrave’ ( that which we are perceiving deciding as NOT brahman (abrahma vastu / anAtma vastu) is due to avidyA vikalpa like wrongly ‘seeing’ the snake in place of rope)
  5.  OLage deha, indriya, manassu muntaagi kANuva AdhyAtmika vikalpavellavannu ‘paramAtma tattvave endu aritukoLLabeku, horage kaaNuttiruva pruthivAdi vikalpagaLannu tattvavende kaNdukOllabeku ( those which are residing inside and those which are existing outside everything needs to be understood ‘paramArtha tattva only)


Compare these with what you are interpreting as Sri SSS’s perspective.  Please note I am not denying the meaning of vikalpa here but I am quoting Sri SSS how he is telling us that those vikalpa-s should be understood as ekatatva (tattva / varishTa brahma) and seeing the duality in it is like seeing the sarpa in rajju.  With this I rest my case.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar

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