[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Advaita and Madhyamaka Buddhism point to same truth ?

[sunil bhattacharjya]

Dear Saptarshiji,

Please don't put Lord Buddha's teachimgs in the same bracket as the Quran
and the Bible. Most Hindu scholars may not be aware that Lord Buddha,
though a kshatriya by birth, had vedic education, and he taught a number of
brahmin scholars of his time, on the upanishadic concepts, in an easily
assimilable way. That was the beginning of the Mahayana Buddhism, and it
came to public notice, a few centuries after the parinirvana of Lord
Buddha.

My 2 cents
skb

On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:27 AM उत्तिष्ठत जाग्रत Bharat <
saptarshirythm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pranam bhaskarji,
>
> Puranas and other such texts(including periyapuranam,nalayira divya
> prabandham,here in bengal books like dharma mangal,chandi mangal,padas of
> sri eknath in the varkari sampradaya etc)
> ,which may be purusheya grantha but in the end only explain or translate
> in laukika sanskrita or prakrita bhashas for easy access to the people
> belonging to sudra varna,vratya,patitas also including some of the
> communities from where great mahapurushas like sant chokhamela,sant
> soyrabai his wife and also women,since as you rightly said,for which i
> quote bhagavan himself from his taittirya upanishad bhashya सर्वेशाम्
> चाधिकारो विद्यायाम्।(fyi,even while using words which are not sanskrit
> eg,thiru or perumal the santas are very clear that they are referring to
> the vaidika devata such bhagavan krishna or shiva)
>
> Whereas koran,bible,tripitaka etc.are not pramanika since they do not even
> have pramanyam at all ,except that their followers have this blind belief
> based on the claims made by their prophets,bhantes,padres that these are
> the words of an omniscient,omnipotent being  for eg,allah,yhwh,jesus or isa
> or jishu?tathagata(also the christians believe that later writings of
> paul,john etc are valid since they were inspired by the holy ghost in their
> hearts therefore writing the word of god),those texts are very much
> dependent upon the credibility of the speaker.
>
> Which is why when someone comes up like maulana madni of deoband madrassa
> saying om is allah and manu is adam,then it is a lol moment for me since
> these buffoons do not get that the knowledge of even the sound aum is known
> through veda and the shastras which do anukarana of veda.
>
> Whereas there allah is a non existent entity since they cannot prove it's
> existence by using koran(commiting anyonya pratisthan fallacy),which is why
> both muslim and christians had to produce so many arguments to establish
> the existence of a god aka a creator being outside spactime(paraphrasing
> william craig,theologian).
>
> And as we all in the group know it so well,तर्केऽप्रतिष्ठानात्।
> For more amazing arguments against the notion of god,allah,yhwh and such
> deities we can easily fall back even on the arguments given by bhagavd
> ramanuja in his 1.1.3 sutra bhashya or on the first section of vishnu
> tattva vinirnaya.
>
> I would really like ,if other members in the group could correct, any of
> the wrong things that i may have said, very much unknowingly above.
>
> Yous sincerely
> Saptarshi
> Sri krishnarpanamastu.🙏
>
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, 15:06 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin, <
> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> praNAms Sri Putran prabhuji
>>
>> Hare Krishna
>>
>>
>>
>> As I understood his comments, he makes the important traditional point
>> that the Brahma tattva cannot be realized/known without recourse to Veda
>> pramana and through the type of methods employed by Buddhists.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ø     Some would argue this point like this : those who can use veda
>> pramANa is / should be dvija (twice born / those who have upanayana
>> saMskAra) only brAhmaNa, kshatriya and Vaishya can use this veda pramANa
>> and talk / approach brahman as per veda pramANa.  But for the stree and
>> shUdra-s (non-dvija-s) they don’t have the eligibility to study veda,  for
>> them smruti and purAna which are in accordance with shruti are the valid
>> means to get the ‘same’ result.  So veda and veda permitted other
>> paurusheya texts would be valid to do brahma jignAsa and they would get the
>> realization from these texts / means. Now, the question is if the bible or
>> any religious text in their own native language talking about ‘veda
>> brahman’ ( ofcourse without directly mentioning it brahman or Atman but as
>> some or the other tattva/power) and those who have taken this tattva
>> enquiry for realization, would not get the realization which is as good as
>> vedAntins ‘mOksha’??  if not and veda / shAstra is the only recourse then
>> mOksha enshrined in it is restricted to ONLY dvija-s.  Since bhagavatpAda
>> said ALL are eligible to get mOksha and also said shAstra eva pramANaM,
>> shAstra and shAstra tattva could be in any form or any language and the
>> eligible jignAsu without resorting to traditional exposure towards shAstra
>> ( veda and Vedanta in devanAgari) in his / her own language texts / guru
>> upadesha may get the realization which is on par with Upanishad brahma
>> realization.  And some arguments even clarifies further even though those
>> who do not have the direct exposure in their current janma but realized
>> brahman ( like ramaNa, rishi vAmadeva etc.) they must have completed this
>> shAstra adhyayana in their pUrva (previous) janma/s.  So that traditional
>> verdict that shAstra is the only pramANa is maintained.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>>
>> bhaskar
>>
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