[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: RE: Re: Re: [advaitin] Re: Fwd: Brahman has no default form; Only contextual form - Varaha Purana

[Kaushik Chevendra]

Thes shastras are very clear in these instances. They don't say "he died"
it's rather "left for his abode".
If shankaracharya acharya clarified that the birth is not literal and not
like any other jeevas(who has birth and death) in the same way we have to
take the death as not literally if mentioned someone.
The problem of giving a bhautika shareera to bagavan makes it necessary
that he possesses a mind body complex. No one can say that bagavan only
takes forms and has no Manas if it's taken in bhautika sense.
If teh chaitanyam in all jeevas is isvara and he enters a body/mind in his
avataras, what is the difference between a jeeva and isvara Avatara? If we
say that his Manas is having upadhis of sarvajntva,etc it can't be exactly
bhautika. Same applies to the body.

On Tue, 14 Mar, 2023, 4:34 pm Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> There is no mention about Arjuna  being << the witness of 'dead' body of
> Krishna and did the untyeshti as well >>  as mentioned by you above in your
> post. Please give any references you may have in regard to this claim.
>
> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> Long time back I read this in one Kannada book ' krishNAvataarada kadeya
> dinagaLu' by prof. Sri Narayanaachaarya, heard about leaving the physical
> body in bhagavata class as well.  Exact source I don’t recall now.
>
> Anyway, in geeta itself the lord says : the mAyA  under whose control all
> the jeeva act is under my control. With this power of mAya I 'appear' to
> take birth (saMbhavAmyAtmamAyayA), where as you arjuna, born as a result of
> your Karma.  (4-5&6).  By this Krishna saying he appears to have taken
> birth and appears to have body etc.  But Arjuna talking about the janma of
> Krishna (ofcourse based on his knowing that lord is Vasudeva suta) and
> asking the question aparaM bhavatO janma etc.  Though it is appearing or
> otherwise it is indeed talking about 'janma' that means 'mrutyu' invariably
> follows it as lord himself confirms 'jAtasyahi dhruvO mrutyuH, dhruvaM
> janma mrutasyacha'.  So, that which has taken the birth in the womb of
> Devaki (8th child) met the death at the hands of hunter.  And there is a
> period sans Krishna during that time entire yAdava clan destroyed due to
> their internal quarrel (yAdavi kalaha).  All these events / episodes shows
> there was a time before Krishna janma, during his lifetime and 'after' his
> death as well.  You must have read that book, he has given some references
> from 'vachana bhAgavata' I reckon.  But not sure.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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