[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Does the mukta/jnani see the world?

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Correction
Your mentioned:
Sri Vidyashankar (not Sri Venkataraghavan) suggested Sri MS may have
deviated from bhAShya.

My apologies ...




On Sat, 18 Nov, 2023, 12:54 pm Raghav Kumar Dwivedula, <
raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Thu, 16 Nov, 2023, 1:31 pm Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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>> Any reference to jIvanmukti by Bhagvan Krishna or any of the AchAryAs
>> such as MS Himself in 3.18 etc is to be understood in this manner only. As
>> an arthavAda.
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>> praNAms
>> Hare Krishna
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>> After reading this I am getting some crazy doubts in my mind 😊 please
>> bear with me.
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>> (a)  Is shankara bhagavatpAda mukta (Jeevan mukta) or not??  It is only
>> arthavAda and bhagavatpAda himself a mere object in DSV, how can I believe
>> he is having any 'stuff' in his teaching??  After all 'he', his teaching
>> etc. are just my imagination is it not??
>> (b) if the realization itself is arthavAda what is the role of sampradaya
>> and sampradaya teaching??  And what is the need of Advaita sAdhana like
>> shravaNAdi sAdhana??  When all these things are mere super imagination of
>> this eka jeeva??
>> (c) when this eka jeeva knows (intellectually) or realizes literally that
>> he is one and everything else is his imagination, through which means
>> (sAdhana) he would attain this knowledge and how he validates his knowledge
>> and how he would determine his realization is genuine and not his mere
>> stupid imagination??
>> (d) And finally the author MS and his works (sankshepa shaareerika teeka,
>> vedAntamuktAvali, AS, gUdArtha Deepika etc.) is just there in my ( the
>> alone jeeva) imagination and I am drawing conclusions that in SDV ONLY
>> jeevanmukta possible and DSV is just not accepting this etc.??  Don’t we
>> get the doubt that in imagination we are just doing sub(upa) imagination??
>> 😊
>> ( e) if sampradaya is a mute thing in EJV and jnAnOtpatti can happen on
>> its own without any sAmpradAyik teaching or guru-shishya paraMpara, why on
>> the earth advaita sampradaya giving undue importance to sampradaya??
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> Namaste Bhaskar ji
> In EJV, the experience of Guru and sAmpradAya are regarded as necessary
> but they are given pratibhasika status like the dream tiger example.
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> Personally I am comfortable with DSV as a nididhyAsana-predominant
> approach rather than as something to assert in public.
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> OK, if we argue it is from the platform of SDV meant only for nAnA jeeva
>> vAdins, then what is the route map for the EJ to realize that he is ekaM
>> and there is no dviteeyaM when he considers everything apart from him is
>> just his imagination and eulogy (arthavAda)??
>> (f)  And finally is this AS or any other works of MS just there to
>> propagate Advaita siddhAnta, pratipAdana and sAdhana without caring much
>> about sampradaya and sampradaya Acharya-s??  Are these works just an
>> attempt of justifying Advaita and saving it from the objections of
>> dvaitins??  This is my genuine query as I am not familiar with any of the
>> works of MS as I have read Sri Vidya prabhuji's opinion in this list itself
>> that Sri MS deviated from shankara's mUlabhAshya when presenting his
>> prakriya.   And incidentally Sri Venkataraghavan prabhuji also confirmed
>> works like AS just polemics and not recommended or not required as a
>> mandatory work in Advaita to study.
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> Thanks for sharing that Sri Venkataraghavan ji has said that Sri MS has
> deviated from bhAShya in his AS etc.
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> Om
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>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> bhaskar
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