[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Does the mukta/jnani see the world?

[sreenivasa murthy]

 Respected members,Who is jnani?
Is the jnani in the world or the universe is in the jnani?
Somewhere I came with a statement. It reads thus:Quote :There is no jnani, there is no ajnani.There is only Jnana.Unquote.
With respectful namaskars,Sreenivasa Murthy

    On Friday, 17 November, 2023 at 04:08:43 pm IST, 'Kuntimaddi Sadananda' via advaitin <advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:  
 
 Bhaskarji - PraNAms
Chandramouliji has provided some clarifications on what I wrote. All the vaadas are intended for ajnaani to gain jnaanam at the nidhidhyaasana stage. That sounds correct since from Brahman point there are no vaadas!
The points are taken. There should not be any confusion for Self-Realization. 
Hari Om!Sadananda

 

    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 03:29:18 PM GMT+5:30, 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:  
 
 
praNAms Sri Sada prabhuji
 
Hare Krishna
 
  
 
Hope your eye sight is good now after cataract surgery and nice to see your active participation in list.  If you could permit me I shall share my observations.
 
  
 
Look at it this way. One who sees himself as eka jeeva, he must have understood that the other Jeevas that he sees are not really real but only apparently real.
 
  
 
Ø    In that sense IMO his eka jeevatva is also ONLY apparently real and not an absolute reality is it not??  The knowledge is not something like OK I am bhAskar, as eka jeeva is the only jeeva all other jeeva-s are mere imagination character, na, I don’t think so, eka jeevatva is also part and parcel of this apparent reality.  Moreover, in bhAshya as you know the eka jeevatva has been attributed to hiraNyagarbha who is having samashti (macrocosm) antaHkaraNa by giving the example of dream state.  In vyAvahArika as you have rightly pointed out this bhAskar is different jeeva from that Sri Sada prabhuji jeeva ( jnAtru, pramAtru, bhOkta, karta etc.)  And these both jeeva-s know there is another noble jeeva called shankara bhagavatpaada who clarifies there is no jeeva as such it is only an imagination just as normal people see the surface of AkAsha and pasting the dirt on it (talamalAdi parikalpitaM). 
 
  
 
>From this, it follows that a Jnaani who has understood aham brahmaasmi should consider Jeeva-Jagat-Iswara, the triad is only apparent and not real. That is what is implied by Jnaanam, is it not? Hence from his reference, EJV seems to be correct. 
 
  
    
   - Yes, it is bheda buddhi nivArita bhUma jnana and in this no eka jeeva jnana either it is ekamevAdviteeya Samyak jnana where ONLY brahma jnana (AtmaikatvajnAna) prevails.  So IMHO, EJV jnana is not the result of this Atmaikatva jnana.  From this standpoint (if at all we can say like that) in all the three states (avasthAtraya) one and only Atman exists.  Nothing apart from it exists to assert I am the ONLY jeeva all other jeeva-s, Ishwara, jagat is mere apparent reality.  In this state Atman or the brahman or the Self is the ONLY reality. 
 
  
 
  
 
For ajnaani the many Jeevas that he sees are really real. That is what ajnaani means, right?
 
  
 
Ø    Yes prabhuji. And as per siddhAnta it is pure being alone that is spoken of as a individual jeeva due to his association with upAdhi-s.  sUtra 3-2-9 and bhAshya would be relevant here I reckon.  

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
 
bhaskar
 

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