[Advaita-l] avidyA and mind in samAdhi

[sreenivasa murthy]

 Dear Fiends who have contributed postings on the above subject,

After studying all your postings in depth a few doubts arose in my mind.Did Sri Shankara get the akhandakaravritti while he was alive?Was he also having avidyalesha while he was alive?Was he not a fully realzed soul?According to your understanding to what category he belonged?If there was avidyalesha in him then according to your understanding ,his commentaries should be laced with avidyalesha.Am I correct?
Wthespectful namaskars,Sreenivasa Murthy

    On Monday, 16 October, 2023 at 05:32:07 pm IST, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:  
 
 Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,

You wrote

//  // The causal seed is not completely destroyed in the case of the need
for
more akhandAkAra vritti sessions. Such a situation is admitted by Shankara
in the BSB 4.1.2:

यस्य तु न एषोऽनुभवो द्रागिव जायते, तं प्रति अनुभवार्थ एव आवृत्त्यभ्युपगमः ।
तत्रापि न तत्त्वमसिवाक्यार्थात् प्रच्याव्य आवृत्तौ प्रवर्तयेत् ।  For such
of those aspirants such an experience has not occurred instantaneously, the
need for reiteration is required for generating that experience... //

Yes. I am talking of this situation only. If causal seed (other than
leshAvidyA which is destroyed only on death) is not destroyed, it has to
merge somewhere and come back. Isn't it? //,

I am sorry if I have missed out  if this has been resolved. There are quite
a few posts and I might have missed out. If so my apologies for repetition.

My understanding of BSB 4-1-2 cited by Subrahmanian Ji is different. The
purport of BSB 4-1-2 is that there would  be  need  for repeated sessions
of  SMN  when akhandAkAra vritti  does not arise on  mahAvAkya  shravaNa,
either first time or later.  SMN has to be undertaken repeatedly till
Realization, that is  origination of  akhandAkAra vritti. That is NS
(advaitic version). At this stage,  mUlAvidyA is destroyed.
Regards

On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:34 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste V Subramanian ji.
>
> Many thanks for the patient reply.
>
> //They are the same.//
>
> I am unable to understand as to how can mUlAvidyA be absent in samAdhi? It
> cannot vanish in thin air. Like mind merges in avidyA in sushupti and comes
> back in waking, it should merge into something, if it were to come back
> post-samAdhi.
>
> Since leshAvidyA continues even after culmination of akhandAkArA-vritti,
> can it be said that the absence of tattva-agrahaNa-rUpA-avidyA in samAdhi
> is basically merger thereof in leshAvidyA?
>
> //Tattva agrahana rupa avidya is not there since the akhandAkAra vritti is
> accepted. This is AtmA/BrahmakAra vritti.In its presence 'I do not know the
> Self' kind of ignorance can't coexist. That is the purport of the
> Panchadashi verse and the commentary.//
>
> True. But being the fundamental entity, it cannot spring back from
> non-existence. Can it?
>
> //The causal seed is not completely destroyed in the case of the need for
> more akhandAkAra vritti sessions. Such a situation is admitted by Shankara
> in the BSB 4.1.2:
>
> यस्य तु न एषोऽनुभवो द्रागिव जायते, तं प्रति अनुभवार्थ एव आवृत्त्यभ्युपगमः ।
> तत्रापि न तत्त्वमसिवाक्यार्थात् प्रच्याव्य आवृत्तौ प्रवर्तयेत् ।  For such
> of those aspirants such an experience has not occurred instantaneously, the
> need for reiteration is required for generating that experience...//
>
> Yes. I am talking of this situation only. If causal seed (other than
> leshAvidyA which is destroyed only on death) is not destroyed, it has to
> merge somewhere and come back. Isn't it?
>
> Moreover, if mind is there in samAdhi; isn't mUlAvidyA (other than
> leshAvidyA) stands posited ipso facto!!
>
> Regards.
>
>
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>
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