[Advaita-l] A comparative analysis of drishTi-srishTi-vAda and srishTi-drishTi-vAda

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Namaste Chandramouli ji,

many thanks for highlighting the exact portion from advaita siddhi.

//  यदा यत् पश्यति, तत्समकालं तत् सृजतीत्यत्र तात्पर्यात् ।  //

Indeed, this prima facie appears to indicate that srishTi is not drishTi,
rather something which is having equal span of time as drishTi.

My understanding is based primarily on VSM, which not only holds that
drishTi alone is srishTi, but also proves that there is no pramANa in
holding that there can be any difference between drishTi and srishTi. If we
hold drishTi-sama-samayA-srishTi, we are holding that drishTi and srishTi
are different and they are merely having same span of time of appearance.

*Curiously, VSM holds drishTi-eva-srishTi while explaining the meaning of
drishTi-sama-kAlIna-srishTi.* I quote from VSM - "अतः अविद्याकल्पितस्य जगतः
प्रतीतिसमकालीनमेव सत्त्वमुचितम्, रज्जुसर्पशुक्तिरजतगन्धर्वनगर
स्वप्नप्रपञ्चेषु तथादर्शनात्।

अत्र इदं निरूपणीयम् - प्रतीति मात्रं सत्त्वं चेत् सत्त्वं प्रातीतिकं मतम्।
अविरोधात् मम अपि इष्टं तद्भेदे वद का प्रमा।।

प्रतीति सम कालीनं सत्त्वं जगत् इति कः अर्थः? किं प्रतीति: एव सत्त्वम्?
किंवा प्रतीति व्यतिरेकेण जगतः पृथक् सत्त्वमस्ति। अन्त्ये तत्र प्रमाणमस्ति न
वा?....

प्रत्येतव्य प्रतीत्योश्च भेदः प्रामाणिकः कुतः?

प्रतीतिमात्रमेव एतद्भाति विश्वं चराचरम्।।"

Here, we see in VSM that it is while explaining drishTi-sama-kAlIna-srishTi
that drishTi-eva-srishTi is propounded - प्रतीति सम कालीनं सत्त्वं जगत् इति
कः अर्थः? किं प्रतीति: एव सत्त्वम्?

We can also observe that drishTi-eva-srishTi implies
drishTi-sama-kAlIna-srishTi and also drishTi-sama-sattAka-srishTi. But the
opposite is not true. That is to say -- srishTi-sama-kAlIna-srishTi does
not imply drishTi-eva-srishTi.

Also, if we see the opening lines of drishTi-srishTi-vichAra of Advaita
siddhi as commented upon in LaghuchandrikA, it says - "दृष्टि-अभिन्नत्व
इति।  दृष्टिभिन्नत्वे मानाभावात् दृष्ट्यभिन्नत्वं वाच्यम्; तथा च
अनन्तरोक्तदोषः। " I could not fully comprehend the statement as it is not
clear that drishTi-abhinnatva is being talked with respect to what? If
drishTi-abhinnatva is being talked with respect to srishTi, then it can be
taken that advaita-siddhi is also holding drishTi-eva-srishTi and the later
usage "yada yat kalam pashyati.." is obviously implied by
"drishti-eva-srishTi".

Also, if we see Shankara's statement in MANDUkya- यस्मादसत्येव घटादौ
घटाद्याभासता चित्तस्य विज्ञानवादिना अभ्युपगता, तदनुमोदितमस्माभिरपि
भूतदर्शनात् - here also, the separate existence of pot etc vis-a-vis chitta
is not accepted. DSV does precisely that. There is no pot out there being
created. There is pot-thought and that itself is pot.

Kindly correct me if I erred anywhere. Again many thanks for sharing the
relevant line from advaita-siddhi. Obliged.

Regards.











On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 6:01 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,
>
> Reg  //  Advaita-siddhi defines drishTi-srishTi as:
>
> (i) दोष-प्रयुक्त ज्ञातैकसत्व
>
> (ii) दोष-प्रयुक्त अज्ञातसत्व-अभाव
>
> (iii) प्रतिपन्न-उपाधि-दृष्टि-जन्य ज्ञातैकसत्व
>
> (iv) दृष्ट्रन्तर-अवेद्यत्वे-सति ज्ञातैकसत्व
>
> If we analyse these, it is same as VSM which says drishti Eva srishti.
>
> DrishTi-sama-samayA-srishTi is not accepted in AS afaik. Pl cite reference
>
> if it is there //,
>
> I don’t understand them to be the same as ** drishti Eva srishti **.  The
> intended meaning is clarified again  in the same chapter as below
>
> //  यदा यत् पश्यति, तत्समकालं तत् सृजतीत्यत्र तात्पर्यात् ।  //.
>
> Regards
>
>
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> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 6:13 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
> sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Advaita-siddhi defines drishTi-srishTi as:
>>
>> (i) दोष-प्रयुक्त ज्ञातैकसत्व
>>
>> (ii) दोष-प्रयुक्त अज्ञातसत्व-अभाव
>>
>> (iii) प्रतिपन्न-उपाधि-दृष्टि-जन्य ज्ञातैकसत्व
>>
>> (iv) दृष्ट्रन्तर-अवेद्यत्वे-सति ज्ञातैकसत्व
>>
>> If we analyse these, it is same as VSM which says drishti Eva srishti.
>> DrishTi-sama-samayA-srishTi is not accepted in AS afaik. Pl cite reference
>> if it is there.
>>
>> MS says in SiddhAnta Bindu that EJV has other name of DSV.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, 18:01 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,
>>>
>>> As per AS,  अयमेको दृष्टिसमसमया विश्वसृष्टिरिति दृष्टिसृष्टिवादः ।
>>>
>>> As per VSM,  अन्यस्तु− दृष्टिरेव विश्वसृष्टिः ।
>>>
>>> EJV is similar to AS view, but with the additional constraint of  eka
>>> jIva.
>>>
>>> This is my understanding. Definitions above for AS and VSM are from SLS.
>>> While SLS definitely identifies the definition as from VSM,
>>> सिद्धान्तमुक्तावल्यादिदर्शितो दृष्टिसृष्टिवादः ।, the one concerning AS
>>> is my understanding.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 5:49 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
>>> sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Namaste Chandramouli ji,
>>>>
>>>> To my understanding, they are same.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, 17:46 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Namaste Sushanshu Ji.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are the DSVs presented in Advaita Siddhi  and  VedAnta SiddhAnta
>>>>> MuktAvaLi and   the EJV presented in SiddhAnta Bindu one and the same or
>>>>> are they different? It is not clear from your chart. If indeed they are
>>>>> different, which I suspect they are, perhaps they should be separately
>>>>> commented upon in the chart.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has Sri Bhagavatpada stated anywhere on DSV or EJV?  My query is by
>>>>> way of  प्रष्णार्थ  and not आक्षेपार्थ .
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 1:49 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
>>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hari Om,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had done a comparative analysis of DSV and SDV and prepared a
>>>>>> tabular
>>>>>> presentation of key features of both models.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All references for the points are given in the table.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I request the learned members to kindly go through the table and
>>>>>> highlight
>>>>>> errors, if any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The file can be downloaded from the link below
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sudhanshushekhar.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/a-comparative-analysis-of-dsv-and-sdv.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
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