[Advaita-l] DSV /SDV in Shri Dakshinamurthy Stotram

[Michael Chandra Cohen]

Namaste Sudhanshuji, Nice succinct explanation of SDV and DSV.  I have a
lingering question from previous discussions. DSV depends upon mind, mind
is a product of avidya; so if mind is negated avidya will remain. Is that
correct/ If mind is gone, how to jump from avidya without mind to ajati
vad? Hope I'm clear 🙏🙏🙏

On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 8:44 AM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste.
>
> In simple words, that framework of Advaita VedAnta wherein waking is held
> to be identical to dream, without any if and but, is called DSV.
>
> And where waking is differentiated from dream, is called SDV.
>
> Both DSV and SDV fall within the purview of vivartavAda. However, DSV
> denies fundamental assumptions of SDV.
>
> For e.g., pratikarma-vyavasthA, a pivotal concept of SDV, is not accepted
> in DSV. Similarly, jIvanmukti is considered as merely arthavAda in DSV and
> prArabdha is not admitted. Likewise, sequential creation through
> panchIkaraNa and trivritkaraNa is unacceptable in DSV.
>
> And these are obvious also once we accept that dream is identical to
> waking.
>
>
> Regards.
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 8 Apr, 2024, 5:56 pm smallpress via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> >  Thank you for your response. The discussion was above my grade :-),
> > sorry. It seems to me then that what the Ashtakam is saying is Drishti is
> > Srushti, DSV, that we/jiva/atma which is sat and sphurana "lend"
> existence
> > to the objects in the waking state. BUT immediately this is denied
> > (according to swami Chinmayananda's commentary) that because existence
> > pervades, objects always had Sat, however because of adhyasa, it is is
> > veiled by avidya.
> > I am only a seeker and seeking clarification.
> > PranamSomaya
> >     On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 01:26:56 AM EDT, Bhaskar YR <
> > bhaskar.yr at hitachienergy.com> wrote:
> >
> >  praNAms
> > Hare Krishna
> >
> > I saw an archived discussion on the DSV and SDV in this work.
> > Can someone please explain what these two vadas are and and how do these
> > vadas appear in the work?
> >
> > >  If you have seen and already read the discussion about drushti-srushti
> > vAda and srushti-drushti vAda you might have come to know what these
> > schools are basically talking about.  In short, there is srushti hence
> you
> > are seeing says SDV and DS vAdins say you are seeing hence there is
> > srushti!! 😊
> >
> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > bhaskar
> >
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