[Advaita-l] DSV /SDV in Shri Dakshinamurthy Stotram

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Namaste Michael ji.

//please, what is vritti without mind?//

Vritti is that modification of mind or avidyA which leads to expression of
vishaya-chaitanya. That is how vritti is classically defined. वृत्तिर्नाम
विषयचैतन्याभिव्यञ्जकोऽन्त:करणाज्ञानयो: परिणामविशेषः

So, vritti is not necessarily only of mind. It can be of avidyA as well.
That is well accepted in SDV wherein antah-karaNa-vritti and avidyA-vritti
are accepted.

In DSV, there is no need to have a mind which is product of avidyA. The
avidyA-vritti is itself sufficient.

//And is v-u-c, vritti or chaitanya?//

It is chaitanya which is delimited by vritti.

//a fluctuating appearance that is avidya or the Self appearing other than
what it is. The former posits Self and avidya; the latter only needs Self.//

Only self cannot appear other than what it is. avidyA, which is
superimposed in non-avidyA, is required for creation, whether it is DSV or
SDV.

//if avidya is anything other than a wrongly superimposed imagination, how
can it be negated? how can a v-u-c be negated.//

avidyA is illusion. It is only illusion that can be negated. No one is
saying that avidyA is something other than superimposed illusion.

Regards.

On Tue, 9 Apr 2024, 00:49 Michael Chandra Cohen via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> //DrishTi is defined as vritti-upahita-chaitanya. That is all. There is no
> requirement that vritti has to be of some mind which is a product of
> avidyA//
> please, what is vritti without mind? And is v-u-c, vritti or chaitanya?
> //.... a fluctuation of avidyA. Mind also is included in that. Just as the
> mind of dream-I is also a fluctuation//
> a fluctuating appearance that is avidya or the Self appearing other than
> what it is. The former posits Self and avidya; the latter only needs Self.
>
> //avidyA itself is negated being illusory. And thus only its substratum
> remains.//
> if avidya is anything other than a wrongly superimposed imagination, how
> can it be negated? how can a v-u-c be negated.
> 🙏🙏🙏
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 1:55 PM smallpress via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> >  Thank you and Namaste.What is that advaita vedanta framework that holds
> > waking is identical to dream, no ifs and buts. Shankara in the
> > Dakshinamurthi Ashtakam says the mirror-world is LIKE a dream. That makes
> > it NOT identical, It is recognition of the two states as distinct, is it
> > not? And yet it seems we are looking at DSV in later verses.
> >
> > Can you explain what is Srusti Drishti and how this work, DMA, can be
> read
> > as using the SDV, as is in specific verse, or specific commentary?
> > Thank you so much for your effort and time. I realize I need to know more
> > about the two vadas
> > Somaya
> >     On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 08:44:43 AM EDT, Sudhanshu Shekhar:
> > Namaste.
> > In simple words, that framework of Advaita VedAnta wherein waking is held
> > to be identical to dream, without any if and but, is called DSV.
> > And where waking is differentiated from dream, is called SDV.
> > Both DSV and SDV fall within the purview of vivartavAda. However, DSV
> > denies fundamental assumptions of SDV.
> > For e.g., pratikarma-vyavasthA, a pivotal concept of SDV, is not accepted
> > in DSV. Similarly, jIvanmukti is considered as merely arthavAda in DSV
> and
> > prArabdha is not admitted. Likewise, sequential creation through
> > panchIkaraNa and trivritkaraNa is unacceptable in DSV.
> > And these are obvious also once we accept that dream is identical to
> > waking.
> >
> > Regards.Sudhanshu Shekhar.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Apr, 2024, 5:56 pm smallpress via Advaita-l, <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >  Thank you for your response. The discussion was above my grade :-),
> > sorry. It seems to me then that what the Ashtakam is saying is Drishti is
> > Srushti, DSV, that we/jiva/atma which is sat and sphurana "lend"
> existence
> > to the objects in the waking state. BUT immediately this is denied
> > (according to swami Chinmayananda's commentary) that because existence
> > pervades, objects always had Sat, however because of adhyasa, it is is
> > veiled by avidya.
> > I am only a seeker and seeking clarification.
> > PranamSomaya
> >     On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 01:26:56 AM EDT, Bhaskar YR <
> > bhaskar.yr at hitachienergy.com> wrote:
> >
> >  praNAms
> > Hare Krishna
> >
> > I saw an archived discussion on the DSV and SDV in this work.
> > Can someone please explain what these two vadas are and and how do these
> > vadas appear in the work?
> >
> > >  If you have seen and already read the discussion about drushti-srushti
> > vAda and srushti-drushti vAda you might have come to know what these
> > schools are basically talking about.  In short, there is srushti hence
> you
> > are seeing says SDV and DS vAdins say you are seeing hence there is
> > srushti!! 😊
> >
> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > bhaskar
> >
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