[Advaita-l] Hacker on bija and creation

[Michael Chandra Cohen]

Namaste Raghav,
Thanks for the appreciation.

Yes, Alston's study also finds ambiguity with upadana and avidya in
Sureswara apparently disagreeing with SSSS. However, both Alston and Hacker
suggest upadana's use intends 'identity' rather than creation perhaps in
the sense pratipatti krama, one presupposes the other.

regards, michael

On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 9:11 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste ji
>
> Thank you for sharing Hacker's views.
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug, 2024, 5:33 pm Michael Chandra Cohen via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> >    -
> >
> >    Namaste Sudhanshuji,
> >
> >
> >    Attached also is Hacker’s 44 page pdf on avidya, maya, namarupa and
> >    eshwara that should be required reading for any defense of mulavidya.
> > You
> >    have already taken issue with Hacker but only on one or two instances
> -
> >    insufficient imho.
> >    -
>
>
> >    .". Nevertheless, this much can be affirmed with regard to
> >    the differentiation of the interpretation of S. from that of all other
> >    Advaitins-that in his case avidya is never designated as material
> cause
> > of
> >    the physical world. It is never referred to as upadana• karana or
> > prakrti,
> >    whereas even Suresvara, who is closer to S. than anyone else in his
> >    understanding of avidya, uses the expression upadana to refer to
> avidya.
> >
>
>  It's significant that for Hacker, even Sureshvara is regarded as having
> "diverged" from Shankara because of using the word upAdAna for avidyA. From
> an emic (I e., sAmpradAyika) perspective, this is significant that even
> etics (sAmpradAyikEtarAH) like Hacker acknowledge that Sureshvara's stand
> is supportive of avidyA's upAdAna kAraNatvam and on this crucial issue of
> avidyA=mAyA, there is no daylight between vivaraNa and vArtika prasthAna-s.
>
>
> You also wrote quite rightly imho,  that -
> " I suspect Hacker drew inspiration from SSSS though he only offers scant
>    recognition"
>
>
> Yes ji. Thats very reasonable to say SSS inspired Hacker. But amongst etics
> (scholars who are outside the sampradAya, it's common if not customary to
> not acknowledge emic (sAmpradAyika) scholars from whom they borrow/derive
> their ideas. That's sad to know that Hacker gives SSS scant recognition or
> credit.
>
> >
>
> Om
> Raghav
>
> >
> >
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