[Advaita-l] [advaitin] SSSS on the controversy between mulav7idya and abhavarupa - directly and simply explained as per SSSS

[Venkatraghavan S]

Namaste Chandramouliji,
Yes you are right. I had misunderstood Sri SSS' position.

Sri Sudhanshu pointed me to the line in the kleshApahAriNi where Sri SSS
says - न च अज्ञानं विना मिथ्याज्ञानं संशयज्ञानं वा समुपजायते, येन तदतिरेकेण
मिथ्याज्ञानम् एव अज्ञानम् इति आग्रहः स्यात्।

So he seems to agree that there is a mithyAjnAna different to ajnAna and
without ajnAna, mithyAjnAna cannot rise - but, presumably, he does not wish
to go on to say ajnAna is the material cause of such a mithyAjnAna.

However, this position that there is an avidyA different to mithyA jnAna
does appear to contradict his position from the mUlAvidyA nirAsah quoted by
Hacker: -

mitho viruddha svyabhavayor Atma anatmanor yadanyonyatopAdAnam
anyonyadharmavattvena Akalanam ca tad etad Atmavido vyavaharanti avidyeti.
amum eva adhyAsam avidyeti manyante tattvacintakAh.

Hacker says "Just as S, Subramanya identifies avidyA and adhyAsa".

In the kleshApahAriNi, he takes the opposite position.

Kind regards,
Venkatraghavan


On Mon, 26 Aug 2024, 23:02 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Venkat Ji,
>
> My anvaya for
>
> // तस्मान्मिथ्याज्ञानव्यतिरेकेण नाज्ञानं नाम वस्त्वस्ति
> ज्ञाननिवर्त्यत्वमिति वचनं साहसमात्रमिति भावः //
>
> would be
>
> // तस्मान्मिथ्याज्ञानव्यतिरेकेण वस्तु अज्ञानं  नाम ज्ञाननिवर्त्यत्वम्
> नास्ति इति वचनं साहसमात्रमिति भावः//.
>
> Translation // To claim that anything other than mithyAjnAna vastu, by
> name ajnAna (absence of knowledge), which is removable through jnAna, does
> not exist is indeed audacious //.
>
> Regards
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 5:46 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Chandramouliji,
>>
>> How else would your translate his words - तस्मान्मिथ्याज्ञानव्यतिरेकेण
>> नाज्ञानं नाम वस्त्वस्ति?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>>
>>
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