[Advaita-l] [advaitin] The Upanishad and Shankara hold 'tamas' darkness, to be a 'thing.'

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,

Reg  // Darkness needs chakshu-saanikarsha with what? //,

I meant cognition of darkness needs chakshu-saanikarsha of location of
darkness. When it is said **there is darkness**, chakshu-saanikarsha is
needed for the cognition **there is**. This part is pramAtri-gamya. However
*darkness* itself is sAkshi-bhAsya.

Reg  // The case of illusory snake is tUlAvidyA-kAtya. Darkness is
mUlAvidyA-kArya //,

Both views are prevalent depending upon commentators. PanchapAdikA holds
illusory snake also to be mUlAvidyA-kArya  while others hold it to be
tUlAvidyA-kArya.

Reg  // Is not the blue-rUpa chakshu-vishaya? //,

If it is cognized as *blue-rUpa*, as for example in respect of a flower
having blue-rUpa, then it is pramAtri-gamya. But in respect of *darkness*
as an object, the cognition is of a different nature. Well, cognition is of
*darkness*, not * blue-rUpa*.

Regards

On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 4:08 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Chandramouli ji.
>
> No no. In the case of rope-snake illustration, both chakshu-vishayatva
>> (pramAtri-gamyatva)  AND sAkshi-bhAsya are relevant. Location is
>> pramAtri-gamya and *object* is sAkshi-bhAsya. Same is the case with
>> cognition of darkness. Darkness needs chakshu sannikarsha.That is not
>> denied.
>>
> Darkness needs chakshu-saanikarsha with what? Which is the entity which is
> chakshu-vishaya? ChitsukhI is clearly saying that darkness is
> chakshu-vishaya.
>
> The case of illusory snake is tUlAvidyA-kAtya. Darkness is mUlAvidyA-kArya.
>
>
> In all cases, what is produced by avidyA directly is sAkshi bhAsya. Be it
>> the object *rope-snake* or *darkness* which is produced directly by avidyA
>> and not through pancha bhUtAs.
>>
>
> It not the blue-rUpa of darkness a product of avidyA directly? Is not the
> blue-rUpa chakshu-vishaya?
>
> Regards.
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>
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