[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Is pot-abhAva bhAvarUpa

[Bhaskar YR]

praNAms Sri Raghavulu prabhuji
Hare Krishna

>  Since you have taken the liberty to mock Sri SSS's followers with friendly banter, I am taking the same liberty to show you how awfully you are off the mark in your attempt of friendly banter and ended up in passing meaningless conclusions, I know on field cricket field meaningless sledging and teasing as I played cricket almost 25 years 😊

Since no meaningful reply came up, I shall take the liberty of some friendly "banter" as they say in cricket.

>  when the questions are meaningful one can expect meaningful answer and note when one unconditionally 'enjoying' his own doubts / questions,  no answer would satisfy him, as he / she does not want to  relinquish what he holds passionately close to his chest.  Some of his problems are of this nature.

Our friendly neighborhood abhAva-vAdins probably realise that SSS ji has definitely and clearly rejected bhAShyakAra's ghaTa bhAShya.

>  where are you prabhuji??  Who said Sri SSS rejected this bhAshya, just because he is not singing this in your tune you can not hasten your opinion on his position.  He simply rejected the opinion of some who holding the ghata in his hand and trying to prove bhAvarUpAtmaka avidyA, ...Certainly you are barking at the wrong tree prabhuji by making the above conclusion 😊


They should be bold and form a 20th century prakriyA -  their "coming out" moment is awaited,  to reject the clear logic of bhAShyakAra that pot-abhAva is also bhAvarUpa. न च घटाभावः सन्पटः अभावात्मकः ; किं तर्हि ? भावरूप एव ।

>  whether pot abhAva is bhAvarUpa or anything else it hardly a matter of concern for adhyAsa vAdins or jnAnAbhAva vAdins as they know pot abhAva example has nothing to do with jnAnAbhAva.  Hope you would be aware of the difference between pot abhAva and pot (gAgAbubu)  jnAna abhAva.  By this ghata bhAva rUpa and its ever existence in its kAraNa rUpa ( the logic which you reading in this bhAshya)  do you also agree that this bhAva rUpa avidyA ever existent in its kAraNa in bhAva rUpa ??

By not answering your simple question - "do you accept the logic given in bhAShya" - they seek to "contextualise" the anumAna of bhAShyakAra

>  for all wrong reasons and for your own convenience you are concocting your own anumAna pramANa to prove what is NOT there in bhAshyakAra's mind.  Despite knowing the context, and who bhAshyakAra addressing this you tried to push your pet theory i.e. mUlAvidyA.  Really a ridiculous attempt.

 viz., they are saying ऊपर ऊपर से, "don't take such nyAyas in bhAShya literally and seriously.

>  the nyAya presented in this bhAshya is not meant to establish bhAvarUpa avidyA, the four types of abhAva though concluded as bhAvarUpa, noway going to help you to push the theory of bhAvarUpa avidyA that too you yourself admitted whenever bhAva is mentioned it is just bhAvAbhAva vilakshaNa and NOT bhAva perse and Kalpita also.

C'mon!!  There is a higher "intention" and "purpose" behind such logic offered in bhAShya to counter the Buddhists etc and establishing kArya-kAraNa-ananyatvaM.

>  if you are seeing something extra other than this in this context of bhAshya vAkya,  definitely you are  seeing and reading this bhAshya with mUlAvidyA jaundice eye 😊

So we should gloss over all such inconvenient bhAShya logic and stay with "bhAShyAxara bhAva" without getting toooo logical about everything.

>  If the logic presented here is establishing the existence of anishtA mUlAvidyA forever in its kAraNa ( brahman) then no way you are going to eradicate it tracelessly, so enjoy the 'mUlAvidyA' for ever in your life and even after getting your 'socalled' self-realization, suffer from it in the form of avidyA lesha 😊

After all, which reasonable modern 21st century educated intelligent smart clever scientific person following "common sense" would accept the bhAShya anumAna that  "ghaTAbhAva" is also "bhAvarUpa" even if it is clearly logically asserted by bhAShyakAra."

>  again poor fund of knowledge about bhAshyakAra's intentions and very poor understanding of context of this bhAshya and very zealous attempt to push-in alien theory of bhAvarUpa mUlAvidyA.

So, Sudhanshu ji, you might get only hit and run tactics as response - "let's move on" like the nomads and slash-and-burn shifting agriculturalists,  to some other tangential passage from bhAShya.

 Just when the SSS ji followers thought they had wriggled out of the Eskimo-predicament, now there is a नई मुसीबत् viz., they are caught in the Pot-predicament (ie SSS ji and followers are rejecting brihadAraNyaka ghaTa bhAShya and not ready to go by its logic, except where it suits their pre-conceived conclusion about the intention and purpose of bhAShyakAra which only they are privy to).

>  those who do not understand what is pot abhAva and what is pot jnAna abhAva would definitely come up with silly comments like this on Eskimo example.  Do you really think it is the botheration of Sri SSS's followers to spoon feed each and every thing and should try to open the eyes of pretenders??  I don’t think so.

If one goes all the way and stays course with logic of bhAShya and Sri MS, it will land the followers of Sri SSS in deep trouble....

>  good imagination, just enjoy your imaginary world 😊

or they might sing "ye kahaan aa gaye hum....yon hi saath chalte chalte"....

>  meeru me bhrama lokamlo yemaina chappocchu, maaki yemi abhyantaram ledu 😊 shubhamastu.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar




Om
Raghav





On Fri, 29 Nov, 2024, 6:45 pm Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l, < advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Dear sir,
>
> I have answered several times in different ways but none of my
> responses
> > appeals to you and I don't want to get pulled into another back and
> > forth discussion.
> >
>
> Why are you answering it in "different ways", when the question is yes/no?
> Simple thing - again - is pot-abhAva bhAvarUpa? Is pot-abhAva composed
> of three guNAs?
>
> Regards.
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