[Advaita-l] [advaitin] 'The Jiva is Mithya' - an article in English

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,

Thanks for the clarification.

Reg// Same mukha is then stated as bimba and Pratibimba//,

The bheda mentioned in VPS, I think, pertains to the different locations
for the two, namely bimba and pratibimba. I checked with the quote from AS
cited by you ** प्रतिबिम्बो बिम्बाभिन्नः ** (pratibimbo bimbAbhinnaH). It
is in the context of jIva Brahma aikya wherein the loci are the same.

Anyway, I don’t intend to participate in the debate. Since prima facie I
found the VPS citation by me appeared to be contrary to your contention, I
just sought for the clarification. I still feel they are contradictory.
However I will try to figure out for myself if  there is any
misunderstanding on my part. At present it seems very unlikely.

Thanks once again.
Regards

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 7:05 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Chandramouli ji.
>
> Please. There is no interruption.
>
>
> Reg // One does not need to be a great logician to appreciate प्रतिबिम्बो
>> बिम्बाभिन्नः, बिम्बाजनकाजन्यत्वात्। It is substantiated by evidence //,
>>
>> I certainly seem to be missing out on something .
>>
>> Vivarana Prameya Samgraha  (edition with hindi commentary), page 214
>> states  //  ….दर्पणेन  चैकमेव मुखबिम्बप्रतिबिम्बरूपेण  विभज्यते …..//,
>>
>> // …..darpaNena  chaikameva mukhabimbapratibimbarUpeNa  vibhajyate….. //,
>>
>> Translation VPS (Prof Suryanarayana Shastri) page 129  // ……and by the
>> mirror the face which is but one is divided into prototype and reflection …
>> .//.
>>
>> This appears to be contradictory to the  above copied from your post. Can
>> you please clarify.
>>
>
> There is nothing contradictory said in VPS. There is mukha-mAtra without
> any connection to any upAdhi such as mirror.
>
> I bring in a mirror.
>
> Same mukha is then stated as bimba and Pratibimba on account of
> kalpita-upAdhi-sambandha. If the bimba is qualified by this
> kalpita-upAdhi-sambandha, it is referred as pratibimba. उपाधिसम्बन्धेन
> कल्पितेन विशिष्टस्य बिम्बस्य एव प्रतिबिम्बत्वम् (page 847 - Laghu
> chandrika. Old edition).
>
> So, bimba is upahita by upAdhi, whereas pratibimba is vishsishTa by
> upAdhi. However, this vishishTa-tA is kalpita. So, the vastu of both bimba
> and Pratibimba is same. It is not some new creation like prAtibhAsika
> AbhAsa.
>
> Let us understand like this. Suppose x has jaundice. So, he sees conch.
> Now, white-ness is vyApaka of conch-ness. Wherever there is conch-ness,
> there is white-ness. However, he still sees a yellow-conch.
>
> The yellow-conch is analogous to pratibimba in our parlance whereas
> white-conch is bimba. They are the same vastu. But due to
> kalpita-upAdhi-sambandha, bimba is stated as pratibimba.
>
> So, in mechanism, the chakshu-indriya is reflected backwards by the mirror
> and sees the bimba only. Chakshu can see only that which is kept in front
> of it. So, in pratibimba-darshan, it is the bimba darshan only. The
> opposite-faced-ness etc are on account of upAdhi.
>
> Regards.
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>
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