[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Kilogram concluded

[Venkatraghavan S]

Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,
There are two answers from two standpoints.

>From the only ultimately valid standpoint, i.e, E-1's standpoint, E-2
doesn't exist!

>From E-2's standpoint, both E-1 and E-2 exist, and E-2 derives its
existence from E-1, so E-2 depends on E-1 for its existence, but E-1
depends on nothing else. E-2 is needed to explain the appearance of the
world and why E-1 is not immediately apparent.

There is no harm to advaita ultimately, because the only valid standpoint
is E-1's.

However, because we are concerned with questions and answers, we have to
provisionally concede the existence of E-2 until all questions are
answered. Both E-2 and the absence of E-2 have the reality of E-2 only.
Therefore there is no harm to advaita, whether through E-2 or the absence
of E-2.

Once there is nothing to ask, there is nothing to answer, E-2 has served
its purpose and the concession of provisional existence for E-2 that we
made, can be withdrawn.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan


On Wed, 4 Sept 2024, 12:50 Sudhanshu Shekhar, <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Venkat ji.
>
> Not the paramArtha sat of Brahman, not the vyAkRta form of existence that
>> is present post its creation, but some subtle form of existence.
>>
> .......
>
>> It has the same reality as the world.
>>
>
> Here also, I would like to pin-point the question.
>
> What is the relationship between the "subtle form of existence", say E-2,
> required for ignorance, and "paramArtha-sat" of Brahman, say E-1?
>
> 1. Are E1 and E2 identical?
>
> 2. Are E1 and E2 different and independent?
>
> 3. Are E1 and E2 different but E2 is dependent on E1?
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In case of 1, there is loss of non-duality. (Ignorance and Brahman both
> have same existence)
>
> In case of 2 also, there is clear advaita-hAni. Both ignorance and Brahman
> have independent existences and also they are of different nature.
>
> In case of 3, because of E2's dependence on E1, there is no independent
> existence of ignorance apart from Brahman. However, E1 being different than
> E2 - advaita-hAni can still be alleged.
>
> What is our stand --- there is no existence of ignorance whatsoever. (That
> is E2 is null and void)
>
> Or,
>
> Ignorance has E2 which is different from E1 but dependent on E1.
>
> Regards.
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>
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