[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Kilogram concluded

[Venkatraghavan S]

Namaste Chandramouliji

No contradiction, we are saying the same thing - The difference lies in
vyAkRta form (manifest) of the world and avyAkRta (unmanifest) form of the
world, as ignorance. The existence of one is manifest, whereas the
existence of the other is not. There is no difference in the order of
existence (both vyAvahArika) of the two.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan

On Wed, 4 Sept 2024, 16:15 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Venkat Ji,
>
> Reg // Not the paramArtha sat of Brahman, not the vyAkRta form of
> existence that is present post its creation, but some subtle form of
> existence.
>
> It cannot be absence because an absence cannot veil. It cannot be
> absolutely real like Brahman. It has the same reality as the world //,
>
> I thought the two,
>
> // not the vyAkRta form of existence that is present post its creation //
>
> and
>
> // It has the same reality as the world //,
>
> are contradictory. They are the same. Identical. It is
> avidyA/ajnAna/Ignorance alone which manifests as Creation. The difference
> is only manifest/Unmanifest. It is anirvachanIya. MithyA.
>
> E1 is Satya and E2 is anirvachanIya/mithyA, both well defined in Advaita
> SiddhAnta.
>
> Regards
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 7:44 AM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,
>> True. By something existent, all I mean is the following that I had said
>> a couple of emails ago:
>>
>> Not the paramArtha sat of Brahman, not the vyAkRta form of existence that
>> is present post its creation, but some subtle form of existence.
>>
>> It cannot be absence because an absence cannot veil. It cannot be
>> absolutely real like Brahman. It has the same reality as the world.
>>
>> Regards
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Sept 2024, 09:53 Sudhanshu Shekhar, <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Namaste Venkat ji.
>>>
>>> I am in agreement with what you said. Except I have a small but
>>> important point to make in the context of the following:
>>>
>>> //If ignorance was not "something existent", why is the self-effulgent
>>> Brahman not known by all? //
>>>
>>> I think the requirement is fulfilled by ignorance being non-abhAva. We
>>> cannot claim that ignorance must be "something existent".
>>>
>>> It is a very important point. That ignorance is a cover-or proves only
>>> this much - it is not abhAva.
>>>
>>> One cannot claim that it has to be "something existent".
>>>
>>> Actually the words bhAva, abhAva, sat, asat etc have no equivalent words
>>> in English because these Sanskrit words in VedAnta have definite
>>> connotation which is not the case with English ones. So, even if one does
>>> not intend, it is liable to be misunderstood.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>>>
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