[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Kilogram concluded

[Venkatraghavan S]

Namaste Sudhanshu ji,
In vyAvahAra, we are glad to be dvaitins. This is accepted by all the
sampradAya AchAryas.

All of karma kANDa, which presupposes ignorance, is playing out in the
realm of dvaita only. The vyAvahArika prAmANya for karma kANDa is on the
basis of the acceptance of vyAvahArika dvaita only. If we do not give
ignorance provisional existence, we would be open to charge of apramANya to
the karma kANDa.

However there is no advaita hAni because of this, because ultimately all of
vyavahAra and the ignorance that it presupposes are sad-vilakshaNa. It is
not sat, because it will be ultimately sublated. And when it is sublated,
it is a sublation in all three periods of time - so even in vyAvahAra
(during the state of ajnAna) it didn't exist.

Kind regards,
Venkatraghavan

On Wed, 4 Sept 2024, 17:13 Sudhanshu Shekhar, <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Many thanks Venkatraghavan ji for the response.
>
>
> From E-2's standpoint, both E-1 and E-2 exist, and E-2 derives its
>> existence from E-1, so E-2 depends on E-1 for its existence, but E-1
>> depends on nothing else. E-2 is needed to explain the appearance of the
>> world and why E-1 is not immediately apparent.
>>
>
> Here, I would submit the following for your consideration. If both E1 and
> E2 exist (from E2 standpoint) - then there is loss of advaita, from E2
> standpoint.
>
> So, to preserve advaita, even from the E2 standpoint, E2 should not be
> admitted.
>
>
>> However, because we are concerned with questions and answers, we have to
>> provisionally concede the existence of E-2 until all questions are answered.
>>
>
> Then, provisionally, should we accept loss of advaita.
>
>
>> Both E-2 and the absence of E-2 have the reality of E-2 only. Therefore
>> there is no harm to advaita, whether through E-2 or the absence of E-2.
>>
>
> Yes. But from the E2 standpoint, since E2 is different from E1 (though
> dependent), there is loss of advaita.
>
> Once there is nothing to ask, there is nothing to answer, E-2 has served
>> its purpose and the concession of provisional existence for E-2 that we
>> made, can be withdrawn.
>>
>
> This means that we are in the standpoint of E1. From which, obviously, E2
> is null and void.
>
> Question is from the standpoint of E2.
>
> Do we accept provisional loss of advaita from the E2 standpoint?
>
> Actually we should word it better. There are two standpoints -- ignorance
> standpoint and Brahman standpoint. From ignorance-standpoint, E2 and E1
> ("subtle form of existence"-of-ignorance and paramArtha-sat-of-Brahman) are
> admitted. From Brahman-standpoint, only E1 is admitted.
>
> So, from ignorance-standpoint, if E2 and E1 are accepted as different
> (even though dependent), loss of advaita would remain.
>
> In my understanding, the reply is as under (kindly share your views):
>
> 1. Even from ignorance-viewpoint, there is only E1. There is nothing like
> E2. E2 is null and void. (Eka-sattA-vAda). Hence, there is advaita. The
> existence seen in ignorance does not belong to ignorance, but belongs to
> Brahman.
>
> 2. From ignorance viewpoint, there is E1 and E2 (different from but
> dependent on E1). However, advaita here is spoken
> vyadhikaraNa-dharma-avachchhinna-tvena. Hence, there is no harm to advaita.
> [This is not primary advaita siddhAnta. But only tushyatu-durjana-nyAya.
> This is what is sattA-traividhya-vAda.]
>
> Regards.
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>
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