[Advaita-l] [advaitin] A kilogram of darkness please

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Raghav Ji,

The TUBV quote in my earlier post corresponds to the TUB portion which I
had cited in another concurrent thread, copied below for ready reference.

// As per Advaita SiddhAnta, abhAva is vikalpa only. A few citations below.

TUB , Sambandha Bhashya // प्रध्वंसाभावोऽप्यारभ्यत इति न सम्भवति अभावस्य
विशेषाभावाद्विकल्पमात्रमेतत् । भावप्रतियोगी ह्यभावः ।//.
Regards

On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 3:50 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Raghav Ji,
>
> Copying below from Tai Up Bh Vartika of Swami Sureswaracharya with the
> tIka of Sri Anandagiri Acharya. Self explanatory.
>
> //   // कार्यप्रध्वंसतोऽन्यद्यत्तदनित्यं क्रियोत्थितेः ।
>
> घटादिवत्प्रतिज्ञायां विशिष्टत्वाददोषता ॥ २८ ॥ //
>
> Translation (Balasubrahmanian)  // Any effect, other than posterior
> non-existence, which is produced by action, like pot, etc., is impermanent;
> since (the effect whose impermanence is sought to be established) is
> qualified (as being positive), there is no defect //.
>
> AG tIka  // यभ्दावत्वे सति कृतकं तदनित्यमित्येतदेव साधयति कार्य
> अनित्यमिति प्रतिज्ञायां कार्यत्वहेतोर्भावत्वेन
> विशिष्टत्वात्पातज्ञाहेत्वोर्व्याप्तिभङ्गदोषर्वत्ता नास्तीति फलितमाह --
> प्रतिज्ञायामिति ॥ २८ ॥//.
>
> Translation (Balasubrahmanian)  // The Advaitin argues that, if a
> positive something is produced, then it is impermanent. The effect whose
> impermanence is sought to be established by inference is thus qualified as
> positive. The case of pradhvamsābhāva cannot be cited as an exception to
> the principle, for it is abhāva and not bhāva. The inference may be stated
> as follows: Heaven which is said to be release is impermanent; because it
> is an effect which is positive; all effects which are positive are
> impermanent like a pot //.
>
> // प्रध्वंसाच्छकलादि स्यात्तच्चानित्यं घटादिवत् ।
>
> कल्पनामात्रतोऽभावो नैवाऽऽरभ्यः स कर्मभिः ॥ २९ ॥ //
>
> Translation (Balasubrahmaanian) // By the act of destruction, the effect
> in the form of potsherds is produced. Like pot, etc., it is also
> impermanent. Abhāva which is only in imagination is not produced by action
> //.
>
> AG tIka  // प्रध्वंसस्य कार्यत्वेऽपि नित्यत्वमभ्युपगम्योकं
> तदेवासिद्धुमित्याह—प्रध्वंसादिति । नाशक्रियातः शकलादिकार्यं जायते तच्च
> घटादिवदनित्यतो न ध्वंसस्तत्कार्यत्वं वाऽस्तीत्यर्थः । कस्ता भवन्मते
> प्रध्वंसाभावस्तत्राऽऽह---कल्पनेति । प्रध्वंसस्यास्मन्मते
> शशविषाणवद्विकल्पमात्रत्वानित्यत्वानित्यत्वयोरभावान्नासौ प्यभिचारभूरित्यर्थः
> ॥ २९ ॥//.
> Translation (Balasubrahmanian)  // The Advaitin does not accept negative
> entities like pradhvaṁsābhāva. When a pot is destroyed, what originates is
> potsherds. Strictly speaking, there is no destruction or non-existence of
> pot. if pot does not exist in the form of pot, it exists in some other
> form, say, potsherds. So the Advaitin accepts neither pradhvaṁsābhāva nor
> its being an effect of an act. According to Advaita, what is called
> pradhvaṁsābhāva is, like a hare's horn, a figment of imagination, and the
> question of its being permanent or otherwise does not arise //.
>
> Regards
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 9:37 PM 'Raghav Kumar' via advaitin <
> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for pointing it out ji.
>>
>> I should have written, even snake seen in a rope (atyantAbhAva) is
>> regarded as bhAvAtmaka and people run away from it. Transactability -
>> vyavahAra-yogyatA- is there.
>>
>> (horns of hare is nirvisheShAbhAva and is not being asserted as
>> bhAvAtmaka, as you pointed out)
>>
>> I would translate the key word ghaTena-vyapadishyamAnatvAt - the reason
>> preferred by bhAShya - as "designated by the 'pot' "
>>
>> Om
>>
>>
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>> On Tue, 3 Sept 2024 at 9:21 pm, Sudhanshu Shekhar
>> <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Namaste Raghav ji.
>>
>> BhAshya is silent about nirvishesha-abhAva, which are without pratiyogI,
>> like horns of hare, which are nihswarUpa and vastu-shUnya.
>>
>> BhAshya is talking about vishesha-abhAva, which has a pratiyogI, like
>> pot-abhAva. BhAshya proves their bhAvAtmakatA, like cloth.
>>
>> So, nirvishesha-abhAva is beyond the purview of ghaTa-bhAshya.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
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