[Advaita-l] [advaitin] How jnAnAbhAva can cause adhyAsa !!??

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Namaste Sudhanshu ji

On Wed, 11 Sept, 2024, 9:31 pm Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Raghav ji.
>
> //But what is - "There can be no jnAna-abhAva in primary sense of the word
> "jnAna" because of inherent contradiction" kindly elaborate.//
>
> jnAna-abhAva can be either jnAna-sAmAnya-abhAva or jnAna-vishesha-abhAva.
>
> In either case, jnAna-abhAva cannot be known because an abhAva cannot be
> known unless the pratiyogI is known. The pratiyogI is jnAna-tva or
> vishesha-jnAna-tva respectively.
>
> The fact that jnAna-abhAva is known makes it impossible that jnAna is used
> in the sense of reflected-chaitanya, because it implies presence of
> jnAna-jnAna or vishesha-jnAna-jnAna which contradicts jnAna-abhAva and
> vishesha-jnAna-abhAva respectively.
>
> This problem would not arise if jnAna is understood in the terms of
> jnAna-avachchhedaka-antah-karaNa-vritti. So, jnAna-abhAva in that case
> would be jnAna-avachchhedaka-antah-karaNa-vritti, or
> jnAna-avachchhedaka-avidyA-vritti. Both will be good enough.
>
Only issue is, vRtti arises, removes avidyA and vRtti has gone away. (like
the kataka reNu purifying the water). In that condition, although vRtti is
no longer present in the mind, we cannot use the word jnAna-abhAva for that
condition purely based on absence of continuation of the vRtti. Is not that
a problem? Meaning jnAna-vRtti-abhAva will obtain even after ajnAna has
been removed. This is not a problem for those who hold that the
AvaraNAtmaka entity is bhAva-rUpA. But if no such entity is allowed (as per
SSS ji), jnAnAbhAva will be there afterwards too! I recollect Praveen ji
too pointed out the same in an earlier thread.


> Please note that all antahkaraNa-vritti/avidyA-vritti are not jnAna.
>

We have smRti and vikalpa for examples of vRttis which are not jnAna. Only
pramANa (antaHkaraNa vRttis)  and nidrA and viparyaya (avidyA vRttis as per
vedAntic framework) are counted as the vRttis we are calling
jnAna-avacchedaka-vRttis. Yes?

>
> Further, please note that like mind/avidyA itself, the absence of
> jnAna-avachchhedaka mind/avidyA-vritti is sAkshi-bhAsya and not
> anupalabdhi-pramANa-gamya.
>

Like deep sleep, hunger, anger etc.

>
>
> //Do you mean - jnAna of some thing or another is always occurring, since
> AtmA is alupta-dRk, so we take jnAna-abhAva not in the primary sense but as
> brahma-jnAna-abhAva?//
>
> No. SwarUpa-jnAna is eternal. There can be no swarUpa-jnAna-abhAva.
> JnAna-abhAva, which is being talked, has to be temporal.
>
> So, it is necessarily jnAna-avachchhedaka-antah-karaNa-vritti or
> jnAna-avachchhedaka-avidyA-vriti.
>
> Regards.
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>


Om
Thank you for your posts.

Raghav

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