[Advaita-l] Iswara and avidyA

[Dhiraj Madan]

Namaste all. Here are my thoughts on this. I am a beginner myself , so may
be wrong.

>From my understanding Ishvara is the controller of Maya or Avidya, hence he
is Mayadheesha.
We are controlled by the same Maya (or Avidya) , so we are Mayadheena.
So Ishvara who controls the Maya becomes Sarvavit and Sarvajna , that is
the knower of all worldly knowledge (Sarvavit) as well as the knower of
Paramarthika knowledge (Sarvajna).
Knowing the true reality as well as controlling. the Maya, the Ishvara is
not affected by it and is hence free from Avidya (vinirmukta).

Thanks and Regards
Dhiraj Madan

On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 6:16 PM H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Bhaskar Ji,
>
> Reg  // If I am right bhAshyakAra explicitly says in sUtra bhAshya that
> Ishwara is avidyA vinirmukta //,
>
> There  are plenty of references to Atman being  vinirmukta  like
> सर्वबन्धविनिर्मुक्त (sarvabandhavinirmukta), विषयविषयिसम्बन्धविनिर्मुक्त
> (viShayaviShayisambandhavinirmukta), ग्रहातिग्रहाभ्यामविनिर्मुक्त
> (grahAtigrahAbhyAmavinirmukta), सर्वदुःखविनिर्मुक्त (sarvaduHkhavinirmukta)
> etc. I am just guessing, in the absence of any citation,  that your
> reference could possibly be something like that. This would correspond to
> your illustration of the Dentist.
>
> Iswara must necessarily be possessed of the knowledge concerning the avidyA
> of the jIvAs in order to dispense the corresponding results to them. In my
> understanding it is in this sense that Iswara is stated to be the possessor
> or locus of avidyA. It is no longer an **anistha** either.
> Regards
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 5:56 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Namaste Bhaskar Ji,
> >
> > Reg  // Now should I say dentist too is the possessor of my problem as he
> > is aware of my problem and treated it accordingly!! //,
> >
> > The Doctor is certainly the possessor of all the knowledge concerning
> your
> > problem. He is not the possessor of the problem itself !!
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 5:38 PM Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at hitachienergy.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> praNAms Sri Chandramouli prabhuji
> >>
> >> Hare Krishna
> >>
> >> avidyA includes the vidyA/knowedge  concerning the acquired pApa/puNya
> by
> >> the jIvAs. It is necessary for Iswara, who is the dispenser of the
> >> corresponding results to the jIvAs, to be possessed of this
> >> knowledge/vidyA. Hence it is but appropriate to understand that Iswara
> is
> >> the possessor of this avidyA. Hence also it is to be understood that
> this
> >> avidyA is located in Iswara. Hence Iswara is NOT  **avidyA vinirmukta**.
> >>
> >>    - Just I would look at this with one local example.  Last week I had
> >>    been to dentist to extract my wisdom tooth as it was giving lot of
> pain.
> >>    Dentist promptly did his work after knowing ‘my problem’ and pain.
> Now
> >>    should I say dentist too is the possessor of my problem as he is
> aware of
> >>    my problem and treated it accordingly!!if the answer is yes then this
> >>    dentist must be the highest possessor of all avidyA-s / pains as he
> is
> >>    treating hundreds of patients 😊   Ishwara is just karmaphala dAta
> >>    not himself a karmi / bandhi hence those visheshaNa-s for the Lord in
> >>    introduction.  If I am right bhAshyakAra explicitly says in sUtra
> bhAshya
> >>    that Ishwara is avidyA vinirmukta.  I don’t remember the exact
> reference.
> >>
> >> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> >>
> >> bhaskar
> >>
> >
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