[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Deep Sleep is Nondual Self with objections refuted, SSSS

[Michael Chandra Cohen]

Namaste Jaishankar,
//I don't have any doubts in the knowledge which was handed down to me by
my Guru.//
Quite understandable and solid for a new student but closed-mindedness is
the defect of such a position. Our tradition was founded on arguments such
that we would not be entitled to conviction without argument. One needs to
be careful to avoid vitanda - manana and samyak jnana need to be our
effort.

Here is a re-post of an unbiased, non-sectarian, non-polemic etic view on
some of the issues SSSS raises. It comes as a series of scholarly
confirmations. I think it is a necessary read and reflection for all
jijnasu-s. I hope you agree.
Regards, Michael Chandra

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16cebqYXnguJqyYVTdTJNB6UJurHSszq7/view?usp=sharing


On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 12:10 PM Jaishankar Narayanan <jai1971 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Bhaskar ji,
>
> If you agree avidya 'exists' in sushupti then we are in agreement as,
> whatever exists is bhAvarupa. So there is no need to castigate the acharyas
> in the parampara after Shankara. I don't have any doubts in the knowledge
> which was handed down to me by my Guru. So, I have no motivation to read
> any works of SSSS other than to refute whatever is written there, which
> will be vitanda and which I am not interested in. If what is said by SSSS
> makes sense to you then it is fine with me. It does not make any sense to
> me though.
>
> with love and prayers,
> Jaishankar
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2025 at 10:44 AM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Humble praNAms Sri Acharya Jaishankar prabhuji
>>
>> Hare Krishna
>>
>>
>>
>> In addition to what Subbu ji has mentioned the following clearly point
>> out that Sushupti is not what is claimed by SSSS and his followers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ø     It can be noted that Sri SSS did not say take sleeping pills, go
>> to sushupti and get mOksha either 😊 Sri SSS does speak about existence
>> of avidyA in sushupti as well that too based on bhAshya itself but NOT in
>> the sense mUlavidyAvAdins.  The definition of beeja rUpa avidyA in
>> sushupti, drastically differs from what mUlavidyAvAdins say and what
>> bhAshyakAra offers!!
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Bhashyakara clearly talks about a kArana-sharIra in Ishavasya
>> Upanishad Bhasya for the 8th mantra
>>
>>
>>
>>  शुद्धं निर्मलमविद्यामलरहितमिति कारणशरीरप्रतिषेधः ।
>>
>>  śuddhaṃ nirmalamavidyāmalarahitamiti kāraṇaśarīrapratiṣedhaḥ ।
>>
>> Pure, without any taint/dirt, without the taint of avidyA/ignorance, the
>> kArana-sharIra (causal body) negation
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. In Brhadaranyaka 4.4.34 Bhashya it is clearly stated that sleep is
>> only a drshtAnta (analogy) for moksha and the next prakarana is started to
>> show moksha which is the daarshtaantika (that which is revealed through an
>> analogy).
>>
>>
>>
>> तत्र च बुद्धान्तात् स्वप्नान्तरम् अयमात्मा अनुप्रवेशितः ; तस्मात्
>> सम्प्रसादस्थानं मोक्षदृष्टान्तभूतम् ; ततः प्राच्यव्य बुद्धान्ते
>> संसारव्यवहारः प्रदर्शयितव्य इति तेन अस्य सम्बन्धः
>>
>> tatra ca buddhāntāt svapnāntaram ayamātmā anupraveśitaḥ ; tasmāt
>> samprasādasthānaṃ mokṣadṛṣṭāntabhūtam ; tataḥ prācyavya buddhānte
>> saṃsāravyavahāraḥ pradarśayitavya iti tena asya sambandhaḥ
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. If sleep has no difference with moksha why even call it a state of
>> experience and talk about atmasvarUpa as turIya. Instead mAndukya
>> Upandishad should have named Atma as tritIya.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ø     All these have been successfully dealt by Sri SSS in his works.
>> His works like gaudapAda hrudaya, bruhadAraNyaka upanyAsa maNjari, maNdUkya
>> rahasya vivrutti, avasthAtraya Chandrika comprehensively address these very
>> issues.  And how the sushupti avasthA has been viewed from different
>> standpoints.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not seen proper answer for these from SSSS followers. They keep
>> repeating quotations which shows the similarity of sleep with moksha as
>> though it answers the above questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ø     When you have Sri SSS works at your disposal why do you want to
>> listen to his followers??  Give it a try to atleast understand his view
>> point from his own works.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>>
>> bhaskar
>>
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