praNAms Sri Sudhanshu prabhuji Hare Krishna SAkshI is not avidyA-krita. SAkshi-tva is avidyA-krita. * I asked this query to Sri Raghav prabhuji also, what is sAkshitva without sAkshi or in other words what is sAkshi without sAkshitva?? This would help me to draw the line between sAkshi and sAkshitva. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar