[Advaita-l] [advaitin] 'Hanuman is Shiva, Lakshmana is Shiva's snake-ornament' says Thyagaraja

[V Subrahmanian]

Dear Sunil ji,

Sri Purandaradasa, in a composition on Hanuman, stated that Hanuman is the
11th Rudra.

Hanuman is Amsavatara of Nandikeshwara - says the Skandapurana
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Warm regards
subbu

On Sat, Jun 6, 2026 at 9:04 PM sunil bhattacharjya <
skbhattacharjya at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Subbuji,
>
> I read it in a somewhat different way. Lord Brahma came out of Lord Vishnu
> and he created the universe. After doing that Lord Brahma requested Lord
> Shiva also to create and Lord Shiva created the eleven Rudras (i.e., the
> Ekadasha Rudras), who were all immortals. Then, Lord Brahma requested Lord
> Shiva not to create any more immortals.  Hanumanji was the eleventh Rudra.
>
> Ravana worshipped the Ten Rudras and ignored Hanuman. Lord Ram took the
> help of Hanuman, during the Rama-Ravana war.
>
> Regards,
> SunilKB
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2026 at 4:39 AM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Popular singer and exponent Sri Kalyanapuram S.  Aravind provided the
>> information in Tamil/English in this short video, demonstrating:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/hbyRsT_2Ffo?si=kTVwkS5Bf3Vr4WpI
>>
>> In a composition, praising Rama, Thyagaraja says:
>>
>> Shiva came as Hanuman, and Shiva's ornament, Shesha, came as Lakshmana.
>>
>>
>> https://thyagaraja-vaibhavam.blogspot.com/2007/11/thyagaraja-kriti-entha-raani-raga-hari.html
>>
>> A 4 antak(A)ri nI centa jEri
>>
>> hanumantuDai koluva lEdA (enta)
>>
>> A Isn't (lEdA) Lord Siva – Enemy (ari) of Lord of Death (antaka)
>> (antakAri) – serving (koluva) as AnjanEya (hanumantuDai), by joining (centa
>> jEri) (literally coming near) You (nI)?
>>
>> C1 5 SEshuDu Sivuniki bhUshuDu lakshmaNa
>>
>> vEshiyai koluva lEdA (enta)
>>
>> C1 Isn't (lEdA) SEsha (SEshuDu) – the ornament (bhUshuDu) of Lord Siva
>> (Sivuniki) – serving (koluva) You in the garb (vEshiyai) of lakshmaNa?
>> For the Hanuman section, we have the Kamba Ramayana:
>> Bāla kāṇḍa:
>>
>> When the Wind God said that he is represented by Maruthi,
>>
>> All the other devas told that they have decided to be born,
>>
>> AS monkeys who will destroy enemies in earth,
>>
>> And Lord Shiva who burnt the three cities told that
>>
>> He would be born as Hanuman and so he asked
>>
>> “How can there be sorrow to all people in the world?”
>>
>> When the wind God told that he is represented by Maruthi,
>>
>> All the other devas told that they have decided to be born,
>>
>> AS monkeys who will destroy enemies in earth,
>>
>> *And Lord Shiva who burnt the three cities told that*
>>
>> *He would be born as Hanuman * and so he asked
>>
>> “How can there be sorrow to all people in the world?”
>>
>> வாயு, 'மற்று எனது கூறு மாருதி' எனலும், மற்றோர்,
>> 'காயும் மற்கடங்கள் ஆகி, காசினி அதனின்மீது
>> போயிடத் துணிந்தோம்' என்றார்; *புராரி, 'மற்று யானும் காற்றின் **சேய்'
>> எனப் புகன்றான்;* மற்றைத் திசையுளோர்க்கு அவதி உண்டோ . 25
>>
>> There are many references for the above, for example, from the Valmiki
>> Ramayana (Nandi - Hanuman), Muthuswamy Dikshitar, Purandara Dasa, Tulasi
>> Das, and the Champu Ramayana.
>>
>> We have not found the source for Shiva's serpent appearing as Lakshmana.
>> It could be referring to when Vishnu's Shesha became the bow-string for
>> Shiva in the Tripura Samhāra.  We are unsure of Thyagaraja's source.
>>
>> The full song in Telugu script:
>>
>> ప. ఎంత రాని తనకెంత పోని నీ
>>
>> చెంత విడువ జాల శ్రీ రామ
>>
>> అ. అంతకారి నీ చెంత జేరి
>>
>> హనుమంతుడై కొలువ లేదా (ఎ)
>>
>> చ1. శేషుడు శివునికి భూషుడు లక్ష్మణ
>>
>> వేషియై కొలువ లేదా (ఎ)
>>
>> చ2. శిష్టుడు మౌని వరిష్ఠుడు గొప్ప
>>
>> వసిష్ఠుడు హితుడుగా లేదా (ఎ)
>>
>> చ3. నర వర నీకై సుర గణములు
>>
>> వానరులై కొలువగ లేదా (ఎ)
>>
>> చ4. ఆగమోక్తమగు నీ గుణములు శ్రీ
>>
>> త్యాగరాజు పాడగ లేదా (ఎ)
>>
>> Thyagaraja has said the Hanuman-Shiva identity in yet another song: One
>> can read the lyrics in multiple language scripts:
>> https://pedia.desibantu.com/ada-modi-galadaa/
>>
>> warm regards
>>
>> subbu
>>
>>
>>
>>
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