[Chaturamnaya] [Advaita-l] The Foundations of Adhyāsa - 8 (The Three States)

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Sri Ravi Ji,

Reg << Can you clarify - what you mean by - "the jnAni dreams that he is a
jnAni" ?



do you imply that the dream state will be comprised of entirely jnAna
vRttis to the exlusion of any prapancha (vishaya) vRtti ?



Or, in spite of the prapancha vRttis  ( being chased by elephants etc) that
so manifests in dream state, such a one knows the mithyatva of it and no
identification takes place, because of one's nischaya advaita jnAna
attained during waking state? >>,



Sri Subrahmanian Ji has put it much better what I actually meant, which I
am copying here



<< Actually, as an afterthought, it occurred to me that the above
understanding could arise from my post. I did not imply that the Jnani will
be aware of the dream 'as dream' as contrasted from waking. We do encounter
Jnanis also talking of their dream experiences. What is taught in the
Bhashya is that the Jnani will continue to experience his sarvatmabhava in
the dream too.  This happens only on 'baadhaayaam saamaanaadhikaranyam'.
This implies that, as in the waking, that he perceives the dream
objects/events even while in the dream, as unreal, as he would do in the
waking. >>.



Regards



On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:20 PM Ravi Kiran <ravikiranm108 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste Sri Chandramouli ji
>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:46 PM H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 11:26 PM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> << Since the realization 'I am all', sarvoham' arises ONLY by the
>> falsification of the objective world, mithyatva nishchaya', the above
>> Mantra and Bhashya is the proof of the Jnani relizing even in dream that
>> the world is mithya. >>.
>>
>> I am not so sure. I think what the mantra and bhashya are stating is that
>> in the dream state also, the jnAni dreams that he is a jnAni and not that
>> he is being chased by elephants etc which the ajnAnIs normally dream. The
>> mantra and bhashya do not state that the jnAni is aware of the dream to be
>> unreal when he is in the dream state.
>>
> Can you clarify - what you mean by - "the jnAni dreams that he is a jnAni"
> ?
>
> do you imply that the dream state will be comprised of entirely jnAna
> vRttis to the exlusion of any prapancha (vishaya) vRtti ?
>
> Or, in spite of the prapancha vRttis  ( being chased by elephants etc)
> that so manifests in dream state, such a one knows the mithyatva of it and
> no identification takes place, because of one's nischaya advaita jnAna
> attained during waking state?
>
> Thanks
>
>> Part of translation of same bhashya by Swami Madhavananda   << Then when
>> ignorance and knowledge increases, ( the result is as follows ). The text
>> describes the content and nature of the knowledge : *And when* he
>> himself becomes *a god, as it were*. When, in the waking state,
>> meditation regarding the gods prevails, he considers himself a god, as it
>> were, on account of the impressions generated by it. The same thing is
>> being said of the dream state too : He becomes  ‘a god, as it were.’  *Or
>> a king, as it were* : Having been installed as the ruler of a state ( in
>> the waking state ), he thinks in his dreams also that he is a king. For he
>> is imbued with the impressions of his kingly state. Similarly, when ( in
>> the waking state) his ignorance is extremely attenuated, and the knowledge
>> that he comprises all arises, he *thinks* under the influence of these
>> impressions in the dream state also, ‘*This (*universe*) is myself, who
>> am all.’** >>*
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>
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