[Advaita-l] Causal Body

[Jay Nelamangala]

Hai  Sadaananda,

Greetings.

Not that there are two of them,  sAkshee-A and sAkshee-D.
Just has each person has a single brain and  single jeeva,
so also each person has only a single sAkshee.
Two schools have put forward two models of the same sAkshee.

It is  sAkshee-D that  apprehends and validates Truth.
sAkshee-A is merely a witness to both true and false knowledge.

So, if you think you don't need sAkshee-D,  let us know
the apparatus that you use to distinguish between true and false
knowledge.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
To: <ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Causal Body


>
>
> Hai Jay
>
> Greetings. Why do I want to complicate my life unnecesorily with your
> two saakshi-s.  One Sakshee A can do all the job needed for me- I do not
> need another saakshi-D. If I do, I will definitely ring you up, since
> yours is a local call.
>
> By the by, I am familiar with complicated theory of two saakshii-s of
> dwaita and rejected that concept as it did not appeal to me.
>
> What you call sakshii-D is the 'ego', who is the false guy. This is what
> bimba-pratibimba argument - or pot-space - total space concept.  He is
> the result of adhyaasa that you are analysing. I am trying to get rid of
> the fellow!
>
> What you call saakshi-A is the absoulte consciousness which is reflected
> as the 'ego' with in the antahkarana. Remember we are adviatins - no
> need for two! The other fellow only appears and that is the essence of
> adhyaasa.   If one can do, why bring a false guy to mess around! Just
> joking.
>
> By the by I did not have chance to study your adhyaasa articles. I will
> do slowly and get back with you, if I need to.  I was hoping Vidhya will
> be able to address the issues you have raised, if he finds time.
>
> Hari OM!
> Sadananda
>
>
> > Both Dvaita and Advaita schools use the same term sAkshee, no doubt.
> > Both schools accept the necessity for jnAna-prAmANya, no doubt.
> >
> > The conceptions behind the term  sAkshee-A  ( sAkshee in Advaita)  and
> > sAkshee-D (sAkshee in Dvaita) are not quite the same.
> >
> > sAkshee-A is chit.  It is eternal.  It is marked by antahkaraNa.
> > Therefore it reveals things that are superimposed.   Chit is akhanda.
> > "sarvam vastu jnAtatayA ajnAtatayA vA sAkshibhAsyam"
> > (Every object as known or as unknown is revealed by sAkshee-A).
> >
> > sAkshee-D is sAkshee-Indriya.  The knowledge produced by manas
> > is apprehended by sAkshee-D.  sAkshee-D does not apprehend the bare
> > knowledge,  along with knowledge it also apprehends its truth.
> >
> > sAkshee-A is a passive collector of both true and false knowledge
> > alike,  where as sAkshee-D is the final validator.
> > The untruth of knowledge is also recognized by sAkshee-D when there
> > is absence of coherence.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
> > To: "Jay Nelamangala" <jay at r-c-i.com>;
> > <ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Causal Body
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Jay Nelamangala <jay at r-c-i.com> wrote:
> > > > Dear sadAnanda and  Bhaskar-jI,
> > > .
> > > >
> > > > The answer is provided by Sri Madhwa  :  sAkshee.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jay - the answer has already been provided by Shankara too -
> > saakshee is
> > > the same as the consciouness that I am.
> > >
> > > Hari OM!
> > > Sadananda
> > >
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