Vishnu and Shiva

[kalyan chakravarthy]

Namaskaaram,

>Logically, does not the "offering" and "propitiating"
>depend upon Agni?

No. It does not. Nor does it show that Vishnu depends on Agni, even if your
logic is accepted.


>Therefore, according to Rg Veda 7.40.5, it seems that
>Vishnu is dependent upon Agni...

No, for the logic given by you does not stand.

>Further, I would still appreciate the quote from
>shruti that specifically states that worshipping other
>gods as supreme is really a worship of Narayana.

Otherwise supremacy will have no meaning. If rudra is worshipped as supreme,
then there is no way in which he can be thought of as deriving his strenght
from another entity.

>It is also very possible that I have misunderstood. In
>this case, could you explain how the meaning of Rg
>Veda 7.40.5 leads to the "worshipping of Narayana in
>all gods" concept?

I have explained it here and at many places before. Please read my complete
replies.

Best Regards
Kalyan





>From: Rolando Santos <sivadancer at YAHOO.COM>
>Reply-To: List for advaita vedanta as taught by Shri Shankara
><ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG>
>To: ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG
>Subject: Re: Vishnu and Shiva
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:11:52 -0800
>
>Namaste,
>
>Here is a translation of RV 7.40.5 that I got from
>sacred-texts.com:
>
>"With offerings I propitiate the branches of this
>swift-moving God, the bounteous Visnu.
>Hence Rudra gained his Rudra-strength: O Asvins, ye
>sought the house that hath celestial viands."
>
>Logically, does not the "offering" and "propitiating"
>depend upon Agni? Therefore it seems that Rudra's
>strength comes from Vishnu, which comes from Agni,
>which ulitmately comes from the sacrificer and his
>offerings...
>
>Therefore, according to Rg Veda 7.40.5, it seems that
>Vishnu is dependent upon Agni...
>
>Further, I would still appreciate the quote from
>shruti that specifically states that worshipping other
>gods as supreme is really a worship of Narayana.
>
>It is also very possible that I have misunderstood. In
>this case, could you explain how the meaning of Rg
>Veda 7.40.5 leads to the "worshipping of Narayana in
>all gods" concept?
>
>AUM
>Rolando
>
>--- kalyan chakravarthy <kalyan_kc at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > Namaskaaram,
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> > >1) Much of your argument hinges upon the statement
> > >that praising other gods as supreme is really
> > praising
> > >the Narayana within those other gods. I am curious
> > --
> > >where did this come from?
> >
> > Otherwise RV 7.40.5 becomes meaningless.
> >
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