[Advaita-l] janmana jaayate shUdraH

sri parasukhananda nadha sriparasukhanandanadha at rediffmail.com
Thu Feb 10 20:11:02 CST 2005

 Dear sir, 

          The Varna vyavastha in our country is totally disturbed.
It is high time to organize a seminar with all the highly learned pundits, and write a new Smriti, according to the recent social and economical conditions of the society.  This can be the duty of the vishwa Hindu Parishad to bring all the sects of the Hindu Dharma to one platform, for which all the aachaaryaas should cooperate.


On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 Srikrishna Ghadiyaram wrote :
>hariH Om !!
>--- "Subrahmanian,  Sundararaman V [FI]"
><sundararaman.v.subrahmanian at citigroup.com> wrote:
> > Dear Sri Ravishankar:
> >
> > > person who has not undergone the ceremony of
> > upanayana is shuudra (janmana
> > > jaayate shuudraH - by birth all are shudra-s only)
> > and
> >
> > janmanA jAyate shUdraH - By birth (one is) known to
> > be LIKE a shUdraH.  "Like" has to be supplied.  If
> > he were intrinsically a shUdraH then he would not be
> > entitled to samskAra.  He appears and behaves like
> > one though essentially he is not and hence he can be
> > refined.  The difference is subtle but significant.
>Based on this long discussion on this topic, I
>understand now that brAHmaNa, kshatriya, vaisya are
>eligible for Upanayana and vedic studies. Can I also
>infer that all these three castes can conduct vedic
>rituals as Ritviks ? Can they take up the vritti of a
>purohita etc. ?
>In the above discussion only 'SUdra' community is not
>made eligible for Upanayana and vedic study, and
>conducting Vedic rituals.
>Sri Vidyasankar has said that he is even Ok with not
>having upanayana for vedic study. Does he mean only
>for the first three castes ?
>Does a SUdra beyond any samskara  to become a dvija ?
>This is the only difference that is being made
>visible, and is a dividing line between communities
>now, from the orthodoxy.
>I am told that Paramacharya Chandrasekhara Sarasvati
>of kanchi Matha was opposed to the bill that was to
>give right for harijan's to enter temples.
>Now a days, after the recent Kanchi episode, there is
>some news of mobilising DALITs (I don't know what it
>means, and how different it is from harijans,
>untouchables) in support of Kanchi svami. To what
>extent is this love for dalits will go?
>Om Namo Narayanaya !!
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