[Advaita-l] A lost Vedic ritual is brought alive

Mahesh Ursekar mahesh.ursekar at gmail.com
Wed Nov 2 23:49:36 CST 2005

 >> Are we really qualified to call ourselves 'realised'? We must enquire
>> this matter with the aid of logic, scriptures and Guru! This my humble
>> opinion.
 We are not realized, for sure. But it seems to me that we wish to separate
the yin from the yang...
 Do you want to see:
1. missionaries converting hindus to Christianity or
2. millions of hindu kids passing out of catholic schools not knowing any
more about Jesus in doing so?
1. Hindus and Muslims killing each other on religious grounds or
2. A Muslim president who can quote from the Gita?
 And to bring it closer to home:
1. Brahmins raisng philosophical thought to the summit not reached before
2. Brahmins creating the scrouge we call untouchability?
 So, if we are not realized and since reaching the Absolute where such
differences will cease to exist seems like a formidable task, the best we
can do is to fill our hearts with Love. Universal Love. For love, there is
no opposite. Hate is not the opposte since it requires an object for
survival while Love does not. Love is. Just like Brahman is.
 Humble pranams, Mahesh

 On 11/1/05, Abhishek RK <rkabhi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Namaste,
> On 10/31/05, Mahesh Ursekar <mahesh.ursekar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Pranams:
> > Since you do not wish to continue this thread very much longer, I will
> try
> > and make this my last post on this thread to you. I will address your
> > points
> > in the light of of the Kabir vakya so that my original reason for it
> > becomes
> > clearer...
> > My observation is that we only worry about these people (who mostly
> belong
> > to the lower strata of society) when they get go in for "conversion".
> The
> > very fact that they wish to convert is that they feel that by doing so
> > they
> > will find an avenue for relief from their miserable condition (be it
> > physical or spiritual). And who has allowed them to be in that
> condition?
> > You and me (if not you, I know for sure I have some hand in it). Do I
> ever
> > read a full article on the condition of adivasis, for example, in the
> > paper
> > or am I busy chasing after the editorial for "more important" matters?
> Do
> > I
> > spend time working with the underprivelged or am I more busy with making
> > my
> > career? It is we, as Hindus, who have failed the converts rather than
> the
> Hardly the case. Plenty of people from our community of Hindus all over
> the
> country have been working zealously to uplift tribals and protect their
> interests. It is because of certain political zealots that this has not
> been
> publicised. As far as conversions are concerned we Hindus have every right
> to defend our co-religionists from missionaries. Also how can a rational
> person claim that by worshipping some monotheistic deity all economic
> problems wil vanish?
> Christians who have succeeded. On long reflection I have found that it is
> no
> > use complaining about the ills of society if you sit back and do nothing
> > about it. If you feel society should be better, show it a way to do so
> and
> > don't complain...that's the easy part!
> > And about the Mughal invasion. The Manduya Upanishad which I am studying
> > right now, points out that the Virat and Visa is the same. What happens
> in
> > the Visva is reflected in the Virat and viceversa. In this light, there
> > are
> > two ways of looking at this:
> > > as humans (visva) go thru trials and tribulations in their lives, so
> > does
> > the country (virat). It is a phase and one comes out stronger by means
> of
> > it
> > > the virat thinking of the country had come to such a level that it was
> > inviting an assault by another people. I have forgotten my pre-mughal
> > history so cannot give you an exact example but was the country
> disunited
> > with small kingdoms fighting among themselves waiting to be walloped by
> a
> > more united one?
> A problem with us 'educated' people is we know practically nothing of the
> pre-mughal history of our land. Practically all our history books deny any
> value of studying this important phase of the people of our land. This
> must
> be set right. As far as 'small kingdoms fighting amongst each other', our
> ancients must have been of much more valour and fortitude to have retained
> the Vaidika culture in the country even during and after a millenium of
> islamic rule! It is thanks to the valour of our forefathers as well as
> today's 'faithful Hindus' that you and I are able to discuss advaita and
> the
> Vedas on the internet today!
> So, the Mandukya's equivalence points to the same Kabir vakya when you
> > equate the Virat and the visva as one.
> > I will end with a Buddhist phrase (which incidently is in perfect
> harmony
> > with Advaita):
> > "Everything is perfect, but could do with a lot of improvement!"
> > So, see the perfection! Thou are That! Thou art perfect! And so is the
> > world! That is realization!
> > Humble pranams, Mahesh
> Are we really qualified to call ourselves 'realised'? We must enquire into
> this matter with the aid of logic, scriptures and Guru! This my humble
> opinion.
> Regards,
> Abhishek
> On 10/29/05, Amuthan Arunkumar R <aparyap at yahoo.co.in>
> > --
> > bhava Sankara deSika me saraNam
> >
> > sadASiva samArambham SankaracArya madhymam
> > asmadAcArya paryantam vande guru paramparam
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