[Advaita-l] apauruSheya ?

savithri devaraj savithri_devaraj at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 18 23:10:16 CST 2006

Namaste all,

Sri gurubhyo namaH
Not to interject here, but a couple of thoughts....

To me, that the vedas are apourusheya, is irrelevant.
There is really no need to prove or verify this. But
that they tell me I am the timeless paramArtha is key.
The purANas talk of Shiva or Ganesha, or viSnu. They
can be traced for authorship and times, but none of
these tell me the ultimate fact that there is an
absolute reality and that is the core of ME. There is
no need to have "faith" in vedas because it is
apaurusheya or because it is believed by the great
sages, etc., but because the subject matter is your
very core of existence. 

This must also be a reason why the truth is
transmitted from a shrotriya, brahmanishta, alive guru
to an eligible student, who realizes then and there
the truth of the statement. The very same brahman who
was in the heart of the original seer of the veda
mantras is also in the guru as well as in the student.
So it can be said - the vedas come from brahman, and
are brahman. 'brahmavit brahmaiva bhavati' - this
knowing (realizing) is not the same as knowing physics
or chemistry, it is more of a becoming.. (if that
makes sense). The knower, the means and the known all
sublate in this experience.

That all of us don't realize this truth immediately by
listening to the mahavAkyas is because of our
ineligibility. I do believe it brings about a certain
transformation/awareness in a keen listener.

my 2 cents,

--- Amuthan Arunkumar R <aparyap at yahoo.co.in> wrote:

> namo nArAyaNAya!
> dear shrI rAm garib,
> --- Ram Garib <garib_ram_at_yahoo_dot_co_dot_in>
> wrote:
> > 
> > shankara does not in fact treat it as "faith" but
> as
> > "faith which can be verified subsequently through
> > the
> > fruit of jivanmukti". His position would have been
> > untenable if the "moksha" were an unverifaible
> > state.
> > However, according to shankara, jivanmukti is
> > available here and now and hence verifiable.
> > Therefore, "apaurusheyatva" is more of a postulate
> > which can be confirmed by following the prescribed
> > path and hence not a blind faith.
> > 
> i don't think the apauruSheyatva of the veda-s can
> be
> verified 'after jIvanmukti'. for a jIvanmukta, there
> is nothing but brahman. where is the question of
> veda-s or their authorship? if at all aparuSheyatva
> is
> to be verified, it can be done only by one who is
> still in some dvaitAvasthA, probably a very advanced
> yogi. there is no action (and hence no verification)
> for a jIvanmukta. to my knowledge, apauruSheyatva of
> the vedas is an axiom. at most, some arguments can
> be
> given in favor of it. but proving or verifying it
> seems impossible.
> vAsudevaH sarvaM,
> aparyAptAmR^itaH.
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