[Advaita-l] gita 5.29

Anbu sivam2 anbesivam2 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 20 18:48:42 CST 2008

Dear Ajitji,

Since He is you, me and everyone and everything else the karmas done by you,
me and everyone and everything is His karma.  Since we are all bhokthas and
since He is us all, you can say he is the Bhoktha.  Unlike all of us who are
attached to the karma and bhogam He is detached. Consequently if you ever
get detached from the karma and bhogam you become Him.


On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan at gmail.com>

> namaste,
> In gita 5.29, Krishna teaches:
> bhoktAram gyAna-tapasAm . . . gyAtvA mAm shAntim RicChati..
> Shankara comments: "bhoktAram yagyAnAm tapasAm ca kartRurUpeNa
> devatArUpeNa ca . . . mAm nArAyaNam gyAtvA  . . .
> Translation by Sw. Gambhirananda "jnatva, by knowing; mam, Me who am
> Narayana; who, as the sarva-loka-mahesvaram, great Lord of all the
> worlds; am the bhoktaram, enjoyer (of the fruits); yajna-tapasam, of
> sacrifices and austerities, as the performer and the Deity of the
> sacrifices and austerities (respectively);"
> A couple of questions:
> 1) What is meant by "respectively" in the translation?
> 2) If Ishwara is the kartA and bhoktA, does he not become a karmI
> tainted by karma? If instead he is to be known as nArAyaNa from
> pAramArthika-dRiShTi standpoint, why talk about kartRitvam and
> bhoktRitvam at all?
> bhavadIyaH,
>       ajit
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