[Advaita-l] the sense of "I"

[Anbu sivam2]

Dear Marko,

when I read your statement "That by which the 'I'sense is perceived or
known..", questions such as 'by who' and 'why should it be perceived at all'
etc. arose.  Yet it is no use. I give up!  I have no idea what you are
talking about.  Hope you know and are happy with it.  Please don't explain
to me any further.  I am not interested.

Regards,
Anbu

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Marko Gregoric <markogregori at gmail.com>wrote:

> dear Anbu
> That by which the 'I'sense is perceived or known, That is your real
> nature. That can't be perceived.
>
>
> 2008/7/25, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>:
> > Dear Marko,
> >
> > The 'i' and other 'objects' do not float in Consciousness. If that be so
> > then we have to conclude that 'Consciousness' has parts.  If
> Consciousness
> > has parts then other attributes such as going to sleep and waking up etc.
> > can also belong to the Consciousness.  Such a 'consciousness' then cannot
> be
> > beyond the 'prakrthi'.  When we talk of 'Consciousness' there is nothing
> > apart from it even as its own parts.  Therefore 'i' and the 'objects' are
> > asat or non-existence.  We talk of 'i' (which is the ego) and the
> 'objects'
> > empirically.  In doing so we find that the objects are given to senses
> and
> > to the mind without which no perception is made.  When perception takes
> > place, the perceiver is the 'i' and those that are perceived are the
> > 'objects'.  In this setup the 'i' is constant and the 'objects' are
> > changing.  In this setup it is the 'i' that goes to sleep and drowns the
> > 'objects' in darkness and as it wakes up it projects them back.  What has
> to
> > be understood here is that the 'Consciousness' is ever awake and never
> > sleeps and it is the light in which both 'i' and the 'objects' shine.
>  It,
> > the 'i' by going into sleep creates darkness for itself in which both 'i'
> > and 'objects' are drowned.
> >
> > In the light of the above you have to re-examine your statement
> > "(Consciousness) Waking up from deep sleep, for example, gives birth to
> the
> > sense of "I" together with everything else."  What makes you go to sleep
> and
> > also to wake up is the power of Maya. No one has ever explained how
> sleeping
> > and waking up takes place.  Anything said about them is mere
> approximation.
> > Maya itself is undescribeable, anirvachaneeya.
> >
> > Anbu
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Marko Gregoric <markogregori at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Namaste
> >>
> >> The sense of "I" cannot be detached from the other perceived objects
> >> "floating in consciousness" because it is itself a part of
> consciousness.
> >> Waking up from deep sleep, for example, gives birth to the sense of "I"
> >> together with everything else. It simply sticks to the perceived all the
> >> time. How can it be separated from the perceived? It is impossible.
> During
> >> deep sleep there is no sense of "I" at all but your real nature is still
> >> there, with or without the sense of "I". So the identification with the
> >> "I"
> >> is in my opinion also maya.
> >> In other words, the sense of "I" is also perceived and as the perceived
> >> cannot be the perceiver (which is your real nature), the "I" is not your
> >> real nature. Your real nature therefore posesses no sense at all. All
> >> senses
> >> can only exist in the domain of consciousness.
> >> That which wakes up in the morning is not your real self, that is maya.
> >>
> >> ; )
> >>
> >> Marko
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