[Advaita-l] Ref request for somnath

[Sunil Bhattacharjya]

Dear Umashankarji,
 
You said as follows:
 
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*Remember* - It was a simple and a humble brahmin - Sri Vasishta ganapati Muni, who accidentally unleashed an astra in a fit of anger which ahd to be contained by a Brahma Jnani, Sri Ramana Maharshi.
 
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Many of us may be surprised by this statement of yours. Will you not like to elaborste this?
 
Regards,
 
Sunil K. Bhattacharjya 


--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Umashankar V <urshankar at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Umashankar V <urshankar at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Ref request for somnath
To: satisharigela at yahoo.com, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 12:29 AM


Dear Dr.Yadu,
I want to re-iterate one another fact and bring it to your notice. There is
a technical matter involved in why the Brahmins must not fight.

Brahmins invoke the Divine and do a lot of practices everyday to this
effect. They recite "Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavatu". They are there to
invoke Grace for whole society and thats the original Brahmin dharma
according to Varnasrama dharma. Given that as the true basis, Brahmins have
certain stringent adherences. They should not lose their equanimity and must
win over their senses. This is not because of any dogma of rule, but this
happens to them as their way of life, naturally. That's how the beautiful
Vedic society was defined and the Varnasrama dharma was setup.

Such a Brahmin, if he slips into emotions , the power of his anushtanas will
also be with him and anything he does in a state on emotion will, he will
unleash all that power. He then becomes a fallen "brashta" Brahmana. A good
Brahmin is like a cow, very Divine. A fallen one is worse than the worst as
he carries all his power with the bad that he accompanies it.

The wrath of a true Brahmin is much worse than the most deadliest weapons of
a great Kshatriya. This the brahmin knows. It is a fall from his state of
equanimity (equanimity is a Brahmin's dharma) to be shaken by outward
movements.

So, in the interest of the world and himself, given his spiritual pursuit,
it is only dharmic and right rather to be rooted deeply in Self, to have
nerves of steel and invoke the Grace of The Lord. It is not an ordinary and
an easy task to do when seeing his most favourite deity to be attacked, but
thats what by far the best a Brahmin can do and must do - invoke the Grace
of the Divine and NOT fall by taking up ARMS!!

*Remember *- It is a Brahmin who taught the Pandavas
*Remember* - Chanakya is a Brahmin
*Remember *- It is a Brahma Jnani who taught Sri Rama and a Brahma Jnani who
was kula-guru for entire Ikshvaku dynasty
*Remember* - It was a brahmin, a Rshi who taught Astra Vidya to Bheeshma and
Karna
*Remember *- A Brahmana+Kshatriya - Sri Rama  manifested to Kill Ravana. A
power of highest order was necessary to do that and the kshatriya had to be
a Brahma Jnani to do it.
*Remember* - Sri Janaka maharaja a Brahma Jnani fathered Mother Sita.
*Remember* - It was a simple and a humble brahmin - Sri Vasishta ganapati
Muni, who accidentally unleashed an astra ina fit of anger which ahd to be
contained by a Brahma Jnani, Sri Ramana Maharshi.

Still want Brahmins to take up ARMS!!??  Only fools can think so!

It is very easy to throw tantrums and run about in fear or anger and act
like a fool in 'Rajas'. Given the place-principle-role awareness, what the
Brahmins did is only right, *even if it had actually happened. *

Also, I request not to take such gory and extreme instances, for the purpose
of winning arguments, as they can only be reconciled in one's Soul
temperament and may not find any resolution through mere intellectual
discussions. These are painful instances in the history of earth. Do not
revisit them unless there is a solid positive outcome. Wielding or weaving
such arguments shows to what extent human ego can go. Everyone needs the
Grace of The Lord. Everyone gets it. Lets become more and  more deserving of
it in the right way.

"Go Brahmanesya Shubhamastu Nityam" - this is true whether or not the
brahmin has intellectual understanding or not whether the Go-mata is in a
shed, well taken care, or left to roam the streets. Today, the Brahmins have
been let loose to fend for themselves like a cow that is let loose on
streets, which deserves to be taken care and can only serve itself and the
world better when done so...

If we all can identify our swadharma according to our soul temperament and
follow it, there is no bigger help we can do to the world.

Sri Gurubhyo Namaha!
~Umashankar

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Umashankar V <urshankar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Dr.Yadu,
> Your posting has the strength of present day Truth and perception of your's
> which is rooted in the regret that Indians (specifically it seems to be
> Brahmins) were helpless against many attacks on their Vedic tradition.
>
> Very valid.
>
> But I beg to differ slightly in certain aspects which are not right. There
> is a term that you mentioned from the Vedas - "daasa". This does not denote
> the Varna Shuudra. Also, every verna during vedic ages were never superior
> or inferior to each other. Each had its place. So, please stand corrected
> that the term 'daasa' is not a varna but a term that denotes the 'bhaava'
> (bhakti bhava) of that of a devotee. This is very common amongst any
> 'surrendered' devotee. Arrogance of the mind will not even allow one to even
> have a glimpse of this 'daasa' bhava. It demands a lot of HUMILITY. Sri
> Ramana Maharshi himself prays to Lord Arunachala in his Aksharamana Mala
> that "Let me be the daasa of daasa of daasa of the ones who lovingly recite
> your nama in devotion".
>
> Whether one rules the world or a person cleaning one's own toilet or
> other's toilets for living or as service may or may not be a daasa. But the
> moment they surrender to The Lord and have pure love and devotion, they are
> daasas.
>
> Shivaganas of Lord Shiva are Shiva's daasas. Anyone dares blasphemize The
> Lord or daasas, will get a befitting response unleashed by the wrath of the
> Lord through His ganas!
>
> As for Ghajini's invasion, it was India's turn to integrate such cultures.
> It was the Kali or the work of the Time-Spirit. Kali , with the permission
> of The Lord, descended on earth to rule. No one can do anything. Even Sri
> Narada, the Triloka Sanchaari, had to take Brahma's guidance on how to deal
> with Kali when visiting earth during these times. Progressive degradation
> throughout the kalpas, is a cyclical event. Nothing can be done. Even the
> best of Kshatriyas, King Parikshit, HAD to yield to Kali. A good reading of
> Uttara bhaga of Mahabharata will help here. Also, Srimad Bhagavatam can
> help.
>
> Every human is bound by his or her own set of karma bandhas. No one can
> blame one another. Bearing the dead weight of vedas is one thing, can
> anybody today even bear the weight of one's own travel luggage? Can anyone
> today carry burden of anything that's not theirs and carryout anything for
> not earning money??? So much for the so called modern-day perceptions on
> age-old vadikia dharma!  How can one dead weight be superior or inferior
> over the other dead weight? Everyone carries one or the other dead weight as
> long as they have EGO, atleast they carry the mala-moothra-mamsa Sharira!!
>  So much for dead weights!
>
> Anything useful can ever happen in this world if and only if the bhaava of
> 'daasa' of Lord exists among men. Sri Kanchi Mahaswami himself has said
> this. Lets all unite as HIS daasas in humility in satsang. That will ensure
> everything else to stay in place..
>
> Sri Gurubhyo Namaha!
>
> ~Umashankar
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Satish Arigela <satisharigela at yahoo.com>
>  wrote:
>
>> >When Mohd.. Gajhani attacked Somanath temple Brahmins
>> recited "Mahaarudra" and >requested Shiva to open his "third" eye.
>>
>> Do you have a reference for this? Like perhaps a chronicle or maybe some
>> later day write up on this event?  Or is this your imagination? You talk as
>> if you were there in the temple during the invasion.
>>
>> Nowhere through out the history of India did vaidika-s or tAntrika-s are
>> known to display the kind of mentality you mention. Rites of ward off
>> calamities were performed, but in all the historical cases that I am aware
>> of, where such rites were performed, they are followed(or in parallel) up by
>> military(or other required) action.
>>
>> Why do you frequently indulge in this brAhmaNa bashing on various forums?
>> I will bluntly say that it is a very ugly habit.
>>
>> Against many odds the brAhmaNa-s did what they could and preserved what
>> they can...one can be either thankful or just keep mum.
>>
>> When resources are not available to understand..simply learning to recite
>> is enough.. ofcourse understanding(which is equally imp) would be an added
>> advantage.
>>
>> --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
>> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:55 AM
>>
>>
>> Namaste:
>>
>> Yes, Hinduism survived but that is purely academic as Brahmin's remained
>> as lifeless pillars that supported the roof.
>>
>> sthaaNur ayam bhaara-haaraH kilaabhuud, adhiitya veda.m navidnyaanaati
>> yo.artham ||. saayaNaacaarya ||.
>>
>> When Mohd.. Gajhani attacked Somanath temple Brahmins recited "Mahaarudra"
>> and requested Shiva to open his "third" eye.  The third for Shiva is
>> supposed to be "j~naana chakhsu" to burn ignorance.  When are we going to
>> admit that it was the "Blind-Faith" on deities and Brahmin's that wanted to
>> keep their importance in the society were primarily responsible for loss of
>> our vedic knowledge as they remain the donkeys carryiong the weight of
>> sandlewood.
>>
>> yathaa kharaa ca.ndana-bhaara-waahii bhaarasya vettaa na tu saurabhasya
>> tathaa hi vipraH shruti-shaastra-puuraaNaH, dnyaanena hiinaH pashubhiH
>> samaanaH  || Uttara giitaa ||
>>
>> The number of Moron Sadhu's visiting US are hiding behind the the term
>> "shaddhaa" and propagate Mysticism to line their own pockets for profit.
>>
>> I have absolute no regard to the folks who promote recitation instead of
>> understanding.
>>
>> We rather remain slaves than become Gods and create heaven on this Earth.
>> The concept for preferroing to remain "daasa" is clearly found in R^igveda
>> as we want someone (deities) else to make us rich by remaining "daasa"
>> (shuudra).
>>
>> araM daaso na miiLhuShe karaaNy ahaM devaaya bhuurNaye .anaagaaH  |
>> acetayad acito devo aryo gR^itsaM raaye kavitaro junaati  || R^igveda
>> 7-86-7 ||
>>
>> puru tvaa daashvaan voce .arir agne tava svid aa  |
>> todasyeva sharaNa aa mahasya  || R^igveda 1-150-1 ||
>>
>>
>> The latest fashion is that Sanskrit is great for Computers, but does
>> anyone seriously think whether programmers are ever going to learn Sanskrit
>> before programming ?  This is just a feel good thing !?  So much for
>> Brahmin's.
>>
>> I know all of us though born in Brahman families and have undergone
>> upanayana samskaraara, did sandhyaavadanama, do clean toilets in US need to
>> be classified as "shudra" !!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dr. Yadu
>>
>> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
>> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 11:53 PM
>>
>>
>> How about the scholars opinion that Hinduism survived the onslaught of the
>> Muslim invasions and rule because of the Brahmins?
>>
>> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
>> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:15 PM
>>
>>
>> It means you ought to study the impact of Buddhism instead of being biased
>> in its favour!
>> If a condition in India gave rise to Buddhism, then there are two
>> resulting
>> situations considering that Buddhism declined in India.
>>
>> One is that the need gets fulfilled and Buddhism served its purpose.  Did
>> it?
>>
>> The other is like a condition that gives rise to the weed in a field which
>> condition gets rectified and the weeds are out.  Here Buddhism is compared
>> to the weed.
>>
>> You have to determine which one of this was the result.
>>
>> Under Buddhism the role of Brahmins as an entity was unneeded as much as
>> it
>> is under Hinduism.  When something is not needed it will not exist.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> --
> Regards,
> Umashankar.V
>



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