[Advaita-l] Ref request for somnath

[Umashankar V]

Dear Sunil ji,
I would definitely elaborate the same. In a different thread. I would like
this specific thread to continue the way it is, to a logical closure.

Many do not know about this great Sage - Sri Vasishta Ganapati Muni. It will
be an honour for me to talk about him. I will definitely do so. Will send a
new mail in a short while.

Sri Gurubhyo Namaha!

Dhanyosmi,
Umashankar

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Umashankarji,
>
> You said as follows:
>
> Quote
>
> *Remember* - It was a simple and a humble brahmin - Sri Vasishta ganapati
> Muni, who accidentally unleashed an astra in a fit of anger which ahd to be
> contained by a Brahma Jnani, Sri Ramana Maharshi.
>
> Unquote
>
> Many of us may be surprised by this statement of yours. Will you not like
> to elaborste this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Umashankar V <urshankar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Umashankar V <urshankar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Ref request for somnath
> To: satisharigela at yahoo.com, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 12:29 AM
>
>
> Dear Dr.Yadu,
> I want to re-iterate one another fact and bring it to your notice. There is
> a technical matter involved in why the Brahmins must not fight.
>
> Brahmins invoke the Divine and do a lot of practices everyday to this
> effect. They recite "Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavatu". They are there to
> invoke Grace for whole society and thats the original Brahmin dharma
> according to Varnasrama dharma. Given that as the true basis, Brahmins have
> certain stringent adherences. They should not lose their equanimity and
> must
> win over their senses. This is not because of any dogma of rule, but this
> happens to them as their way of life, naturally. That's how the beautiful
> Vedic society was defined and the Varnasrama dharma was setup.
>
> Such a Brahmin, if he slips into emotions , the power of his anushtanas
> will
> also be with him and anything he does in a state on emotion will, he will
> unleash all that power. He then becomes a fallen "brashta" Brahmana. A good
> Brahmin is like a cow, very Divine. A fallen one is worse than the worst as
> he carries all his power with the bad that he accompanies it.
>
> The wrath of a true Brahmin is much worse than the most deadliest weapons
> of
> a great Kshatriya. This the brahmin knows. It is a fall from his state of
> equanimity (equanimity is a Brahmin's dharma) to be shaken by outward
> movements.
>
> So, in the interest of the world and himself, given his spiritual pursuit,
> it is only dharmic and right rather to be rooted deeply in Self, to have
> nerves of steel and invoke the Grace of The Lord. It is not an ordinary and
> an easy task to do when seeing his most favourite deity to be attacked, but
> thats what by far the best a Brahmin can do and must do - invoke the Grace
> of the Divine and NOT fall by taking up ARMS!!
>
> *Remember *- It is a Brahmin who taught the Pandavas
> *Remember* - Chanakya is a Brahmin
> *Remember *- It is a Brahma Jnani who taught Sri Rama and a Brahma Jnani
> who
> was kula-guru for entire Ikshvaku dynasty
> *Remember* - It was a brahmin, a Rshi who taught Astra Vidya to Bheeshma
> and
> Karna
> *Remember *- A Brahmana+Kshatriya - Sri Rama  manifested to Kill Ravana. A
> power of highest order was necessary to do that and the kshatriya had to be
> a Brahma Jnani to do it.
> *Remember* - Sri Janaka maharaja a Brahma Jnani fathered Mother Sita.
> *Remember* - It was a simple and a humble brahmin - Sri Vasishta ganapati
> Muni, who accidentally unleashed an astra ina fit of anger which ahd to be
> contained by a Brahma Jnani, Sri Ramana Maharshi.
>
> Still want Brahmins to take up ARMS!!??  Only fools can think so!
>
> It is very easy to throw tantrums and run about in fear or anger and act
> like a fool in 'Rajas'. Given the place-principle-role awareness, what the
> Brahmins did is only right, *even if it had actually happened. *
>
> Also, I request not to take such gory and extreme instances, for the
> purpose
> of winning arguments, as they can only be reconciled in one's Soul
> temperament and may not find any resolution through mere intellectual
> discussions. These are painful instances in the history of earth. Do not
> revisit them unless there is a solid positive outcome. Wielding or weaving
> such arguments shows to what extent human ego can go. Everyone needs the
> Grace of The Lord. Everyone gets it. Lets become more and  more deserving
> of
> it in the right way.
>
> "Go Brahmanesya Shubhamastu Nityam" - this is true whether or not the
> brahmin has intellectual understanding or not whether the Go-mata is in a
> shed, well taken care, or left to roam the streets. Today, the Brahmins
> have
> been let loose to fend for themselves like a cow that is let loose on
> streets, which deserves to be taken care and can only serve itself and the
> world better when done so...
>
> If we all can identify our swadharma according to our soul temperament and
> follow it, there is no bigger help we can do to the world.
>
> Sri Gurubhyo Namaha!
> ~Umashankar
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Umashankar V <urshankar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Dr.Yadu,
> > Your posting has the strength of present day Truth and perception of
> your's
> > which is rooted in the regret that Indians (specifically it seems to be
> > Brahmins) were helpless against many attacks on their Vedic tradition.
> >
> > Very valid.
> >
> > But I beg to differ slightly in certain aspects which are not right.
> There
> > is a term that you mentioned from the Vedas - "daasa". This does not
> denote
> > the Varna Shuudra. Also, every verna during vedic ages were never
> superior
> > or inferior to each other. Each had its place. So, please stand corrected
> > that the term 'daasa' is not a varna but a term that denotes the 'bhaava'
> > (bhakti bhava) of that of a devotee. This is very common amongst any
> > 'surrendered' devotee. Arrogance of the mind will not even allow one to
> even
> > have a glimpse of this 'daasa' bhava. It demands a lot of HUMILITY. Sri
> > Ramana Maharshi himself prays to Lord Arunachala in his Aksharamana Mala
> > that "Let me be the daasa of daasa of daasa of the ones who lovingly
> recite
> > your nama in devotion".
> >
> > Whether one rules the world or a person cleaning one's own toilet or
> > other's toilets for living or as service may or may not be a daasa. But
> the
> > moment they surrender to The Lord and have pure love and devotion, they
> are
> > daasas.
> >
> > Shivaganas of Lord Shiva are Shiva's daasas. Anyone dares blasphemize The
> > Lord or daasas, will get a befitting response unleashed by the wrath of
> the
> > Lord through His ganas!
> >
> > As for Ghajini's invasion, it was India's turn to integrate such
> cultures.
> > It was the Kali or the work of the Time-Spirit. Kali , with the
> permission
> > of The Lord, descended on earth to rule. No one can do anything. Even Sri
> > Narada, the Triloka Sanchaari, had to take Brahma's guidance on how to
> deal
> > with Kali when visiting earth during these times. Progressive degradation
> > throughout the kalpas, is a cyclical event. Nothing can be done. Even the
> > best of Kshatriyas, King Parikshit, HAD to yield to Kali. A good reading
> of
> > Uttara bhaga of Mahabharata will help here. Also, Srimad Bhagavatam can
> > help.
> >
> > Every human is bound by his or her own set of karma bandhas. No one can
> > blame one another. Bearing the dead weight of vedas is one thing, can
> > anybody today even bear the weight of one's own travel luggage? Can
> anyone
> > today carry burden of anything that's not theirs and carryout anything
> for
> > not earning money??? So much for the so called modern-day perceptions on
> > age-old vadikia dharma!  How can one dead weight be superior or inferior
> > over the other dead weight? Everyone carries one or the other dead weight
> as
> > long as they have EGO, atleast they carry the mala-moothra-mamsa
> Sharira!!
> >  So much for dead weights!
> >
> > Anything useful can ever happen in this world if and only if the bhaava
> of
> > 'daasa' of Lord exists among men. Sri Kanchi Mahaswami himself has said
> > this. Lets all unite as HIS daasas in humility in satsang. That will
> ensure
> > everything else to stay in place..
> >
> > Sri Gurubhyo Namaha!
> >
> > ~Umashankar
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Satish Arigela <
> satisharigela at yahoo.com>
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> >When Mohd.. Gajhani attacked Somanath temple Brahmins
> >> recited "Mahaarudra" and >requested Shiva to open his "third" eye.
> >>
> >> Do you have a reference for this? Like perhaps a chronicle or maybe some
> >> later day write up on this event?  Or is this your imagination? You talk
> as
> >> if you were there in the temple during the invasion.
> >>
> >> Nowhere through out the history of India did vaidika-s or tAntrika-s are
> >> known to display the kind of mentality you mention. Rites of ward off
> >> calamities were performed, but in all the historical cases that I am
> aware
> >> of, where such rites were performed, they are followed(or in parallel)
> up by
> >> military(or other required) action.
> >>
> >> Why do you frequently indulge in this brAhmaNa bashing on various
> forums?
> >> I will bluntly say that it is a very ugly habit.
> >>
> >> Against many odds the brAhmaNa-s did what they could and preserved what
> >> they can...one can be either thankful or just keep mum.
> >>
> >> When resources are not available to understand..simply learning to
> recite
> >> is enough.. ofcourse understanding(which is equally imp) would be an
> added
> >> advantage.
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
> >> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> >> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:55 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> Namaste:
> >>
> >> Yes, Hinduism survived but that is purely academic as Brahmin's remained
> >> as lifeless pillars that supported the roof.
> >>
> >> sthaaNur ayam bhaara-haaraH kilaabhuud, adhiitya veda.m navidnyaanaati
> >> yo.artham ||. saayaNaacaarya ||.
> >>
> >> When Mohd.. Gajhani attacked Somanath temple Brahmins recited
> "Mahaarudra"
> >> and requested Shiva to open his "third" eye.  The third for Shiva is
> >> supposed to be "j~naana chakhsu" to burn ignorance.  When are we going
> to
> >> admit that it was the "Blind-Faith" on deities and Brahmin's that wanted
> to
> >> keep their importance in the society were primarily responsible for loss
> of
> >> our vedic knowledge as they remain the donkeys carryiong the weight of
> >> sandlewood.
> >>
> >> yathaa kharaa ca.ndana-bhaara-waahii bhaarasya vettaa na tu saurabhasya
> >> tathaa hi vipraH shruti-shaastra-puuraaNaH, dnyaanena hiinaH pashubhiH
> >> samaanaH  || Uttara giitaa ||
> >>
> >> The number of Moron Sadhu's visiting US are hiding behind the the term
> >> "shaddhaa" and propagate Mysticism to line their own pockets for profit.
> >>
> >> I have absolute no regard to the folks who promote recitation instead of
> >> understanding.
> >>
> >> We rather remain slaves than become Gods and create heaven on this
> Earth.
> >> The concept for preferroing to remain "daasa" is clearly found in
> R^igveda
> >> as we want someone (deities) else to make us rich by remaining "daasa"
> >> (shuudra).
> >>
> >> araM daaso na miiLhuShe karaaNy ahaM devaaya bhuurNaye .anaagaaH  |
> >> acetayad acito devo aryo gR^itsaM raaye kavitaro junaati  || R^igveda
> >> 7-86-7 ||
> >>
> >> puru tvaa daashvaan voce .arir agne tava svid aa  |
> >> todasyeva sharaNa aa mahasya  || R^igveda 1-150-1 ||
> >>
> >>
> >> The latest fashion is that Sanskrit is great for Computers, but does
> >> anyone seriously think whether programmers are ever going to learn
> Sanskrit
> >> before programming ?  This is just a feel good thing !?  So much for
> >> Brahmin's.
> >>
> >> I know all of us though born in Brahman families and have undergone
> >> upanayana samskaraara, did sandhyaavadanama, do clean toilets in US need
> to
> >> be classified as "shudra" !!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Dr. Yadu
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
> >> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> >> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 11:53 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> How about the scholars opinion that Hinduism survived the onslaught of
> the
> >> Muslim invasions and rule because of the Brahmins?
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
> >> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> >> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:15 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> It means you ought to study the impact of Buddhism instead of being
> biased
> >> in its favour!
> >> If a condition in India gave rise to Buddhism, then there are two
> >> resulting
> >> situations considering that Buddhism declined in India.
> >>
> >> One is that the need gets fulfilled and Buddhism served its purpose.
> Did
> >> it?
> >>
> >> The other is like a condition that gives rise to the weed in a field
> which
> >> condition gets rectified and the weeds are out.  Here Buddhism is
> compared
> >> to the weed.
> >>
> >> You have to determine which one of this was the result.
> >>
> >> Under Buddhism the role of Brahmins as an entity was unneeded as much as
> >> it
> >> is under Hinduism.  When something is not needed it will not exist.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > Umashankar.V
> >
>
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Regards,
Umashankar.V