[Advaita-l] Svarita in RV and YV (was Re: SRI SUKTAM - Meaning)

[Dr D Bharadwaj]

Dear SrI Bhadriah

Namaste.

Excellent exposition indeed. Yes Jaldharji said it 'all'....
I was enjoying the comprehensiveness of his post.

But, passingly, you had mentioned something that
may be construed as a sort of a contradiction.

You had said :

In fact to go one step further, there are upanishats which even say one
should

become a brahmana (at least by end of life), so you can very well raise
yourself

from your current (whatever) level.
Does that mean that there is a pramANa for the possibity of
one 'becoming a brahmana' optionally? This rises many related
issues. I am yet to come across any vedic pramANa for the claim by many well
meaning even well read scholarly persons, that such a 'becoming' was upheld
by dharma.

Can you please mention, sir, the names of the particular upanishats that not
only seem to uphold such a possibility but also seem to have enjoined that
one 'should' become a brahmana.

Would also like to know if those upanishats had shed any light on the
process of 'becoming a brahmana'.

Kindy consider the question as academic and not as the one intending
to personally challenging you in any manner.




Regards,

sarvE bhavanthu sukhinah
sarvE santhu niraamayaah
sarve bhadrANi pasyanthu
maa kaschit duhkhabhAg bhavEt.


Dr. D. Bharadwaj
drdbharadwaj at gmail.com


On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Bhadraiah Mallampalli <vaidix at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Dear Andreas
>
>
> Jaldharji has suggested the fastest possible method for you to learn all
> that
>
> you want to learn. If you get the brahmajnana all these subjects will
> reveal
>
> themselves to you without asking for books and literature.
>
>
> In fact to go one step further, there are upanishats which even say one
> should
>
> become a brahmana (at least by end of life), so you can very well raise
> yourself
>
> from your current (whatever) level.
>
>
> Many foreigners wasted their own time and our time trying to explore these
>
> subjects in adhoc manner, using the ideas to create other subjects. In fact
>
> use of English words like mind, vowel, consonant, tone, tune etc is the
> first
>
> mental block in understanding Hindu books. Otherwise it is all garbage in
>
> garbage out.  Nevertheless some of the works by foreign scholars is
> valuable
>
> because they included some explanatory notes by traditional Hindu scholars
>
> who lived in 19th century. Some foreign scholars even claim they have left
>
> Panini behind and made improvements in theory of grammar.
>
>
>
> Having said that, some of the Indian experimenters did their part in adding
>
> to confusion, as Shri Vidyasankar quoted instances of vedas being chanted
>
> to tunes of Carnatic music. However well intentioned these efforts are
> futile.
>
>
>
> The first requirement is always study of the six darshanas and mimamsas
>
> as per one's own family tradition and one's own self interest. If you do
> not
>
> have family tradition you can very wel start one, but stay warned how much
>
> it will be accepted by existing scholars.
>
>
>
> This does not mean there were no genuine musicians who made sincere
> attempts:
>
> I heard Late Shri Kunnakudi Vaidyanathan's rendering of Nagumomu in which
> he
>
> played vedic accents on violin by intellligently changing the tempo from
> carnatic
>
> to vedic and back to carnatic. Being a scholar is one thing. Being a poet
> is
>
> another thing. Scholars can only analyze and dissect. Poets can create.
>
> Admittedly every one is a poet at heart, our attempt should be to bring out
>
> that aspect instead of just being a scholar, and that is the very reason
> why
>
> we like become the creator by first attempting to reach advaita. Art in any
>
> form needs the heart of an artist. Poetry is also an art. In poetry again
> it can
>
> be prose (vedic brahmanas) or it may be simple vrttas and slokas like
>
> Bhajagovindam, ragas of carnatic music, or vedic chants and samas
>
> (in the order of increasing complexity). Each type of literary work has
>
> its own place, and all poetry needs the poet's creative heart.
>
>
>
> Research on convertibility from one form to another is also a poet's
> domain.
>
> Interchange between vedic and carnatic is indeed possible but you have to
>
> do a lot of circus, it won't be that simple. We will cross the bridge when
> we
>
> get to it. Till them let us practice advaita.
>
>
>
> (If you are just interested in doing your own thing and want some
> references
>
> irrespective of tradition to come to your own conclusions, you can try
> Indology list.)
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Bhadraiah
>
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