[Advaita-l] Bh.Gita verse 18.73 - Was Arjuna an 'aparoksha Jnani'? - Part 4

[Venkatesh Murthy]

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Jaldhar H. Vyas
<jaldhar at braincells.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Venkatesh Murthy wrote:
>
>> If Jnanotpatti is start and brahmasamstha is end it must surely be
>> moksha. Above statement from you is you agree moksha is in sanyasa
>> only.
>
> It seems that by sannyasa we mean two different things.  I'm talking about
> renunciation of all limited, material things.  You are talking about kesari
> clothes, danda, kamandalu etc.
>

Sanyasa is not staying with wife at  home and saying I am sanyasi. If
this is the definition it is wrong. Sanyasi must separate from wife
and family members. if he is Brahmachari he must separate from
parents. he performs his Sraddha. his Purvashrama person is dead.
there is  particular sanyasa ceremony. he must follow all rules and
regulations of sanyasa. if you say this is not sanyasa we should
laugh.

>> But non dvijas cannot be sanyasis in Sankara Matha.
>
> yet there is historical and contemporary evidence that they have done so in
> the Dashanami tradition and with the permission of Mathadhipatis.  Even if
> it were not so, anyone can give up material things.

Sudras and others below them cannot be sanyasis. No sanyasa means no moksha.

>
>> they cannot
>> get moksha in this life. I wrote this earlier also.
>>
>
> If they can have jnana and vairagya, moksha is sure to follow.
>
> --

No sanyasa means no moksha in this life.

Regards

-Venkatesh

> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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