[Advaita-l] APerspective 17-2

[Anbu sivam2]

Please read it as *dhukka saagaram*.  The other spelling would change the
meaning!

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Bhaskarji,
>
> PraNaams.
>
> You can have two and if both of them can give you sukham then you are not
> going to reject any.  The driving force in the samsaara is its dhukkam.
>
> How did this dhukka samsaaram arise?  No one can say.  But it is known to
> be kept alive by the intellect.  Actually your war is with your own
> intellect by the intellect!
>
> This is because you have realized that the world is *dhukka saaharam*.
> This is the starting point of your 'realization'.
>
> You asked the question: "Yes, sharaNAgati at the guru pAda kamala can (be)
> possible only in the case
>
> of TWO in vyavahAra is it not?? "
>
> Hope you are reading my commentaries on Sivaanandalahari.  Adi Sankara has
> dealt with that in his own unique style.
>
> Aum Namasivaaya!
> Anbesivam
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
>
>> praNAms
>> Hare Krishna
>>
>> Logically correct but practically never feasible for only one exists in
>> time
>> (or out of it) - not both!
>>
>> >  Again it is possible in that invicible 'vyAvahArika
>> satya':-))...example eyes may see the curved stick in the water but your
>> hand can feel the not curved nature of that same stick!!..one more, though
>> the underlying truth of hammer, base plate and rod hammered to flatten is
>> 'metal' or steel its practical utility differs in vyAvahArika jagat :-))
>> Likewise, ONE paramAtma can appear as bhOktru, bhOjya & bhOktavya..nothing
>> wrong in that in vyavahAra:-))
>>
>>
>
>> You need *TWO* to say that one is real and the other is false.  The
>> intellect will never apprehend the Reality, can it?
>>
>> >  Again, in vyavahAra there are really two but in reality the underlying
>> truth of these TWO is ONE.
>>
>> As far the aathman there had never been an 'unrealized' state to leap into
>> a change.
>>
>> >  yes, but in Sri Sadananda prabhuji's words :  "running is required to
>> know 'there is no need to run" :-))
>>
>> Thus the surrender to the Guru only is important, nothing else.
>>
>> >  Yes, sharaNAgati at the guru pAda kAmala can possible only in the case
>> of TWO in vyavahAra is it not??  If the 'unrealized' state had never been
>> there in this vyavahAra there would have been no guru, no shishya, no
>> shAstra vAkya..is it not??  Two different compartments & two different
>> stuff in it..we cannot mix it & got ourselves confused :-))
>>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> bhaskar
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