[Advaita-l] APerspective 17-2

[Anbu sivam2]

Dear Bhaskarji,

PraNaams.

You can have two and if both of them can give you sukham then you are not
going to reject any.  The driving force in the samsaara is its dhukkam.

How did this dhukka samsaaram arise?  No one can say.  But it is known to be
kept alive by the intellect.  Actually your war is with your own intellect
by the intellect!

This is because you have realized that the world is *dhukka saaharam*.  This
is the starting point of your 'realization'.

You asked the question: "Yes, sharaNAgati at the guru pAda kamala can (be)
possible only in the case
of TWO in vyavahAra is it not?? "

Hope you are reading my commentaries on Sivaanandalahari.  Adi Sankara has
dealt with that in his own unique style.

Aum Namasivaaya!
Anbesivam

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> Logically correct but practically never feasible for only one exists in
> time
> (or out of it) - not both!
>
> >  Again it is possible in that invicible 'vyAvahArika
> satya':-))...example eyes may see the curved stick in the water but your
> hand can feel the not curved nature of that same stick!!..one more, though
> the underlying truth of hammer, base plate and rod hammered to flatten is
> 'metal' or steel its practical utility differs in vyAvahArika jagat :-))
> Likewise, ONE paramAtma can appear as bhOktru, bhOjya & bhOktavya..nothing
> wrong in that in vyavahAra:-))
>
>

> You need *TWO* to say that one is real and the other is false.  The
> intellect will never apprehend the Reality, can it?
>
> >  Again, in vyavahAra there are really two but in reality the underlying
> truth of these TWO is ONE.
>
> As far the aathman there had never been an 'unrealized' state to leap into
> a change.
>
> >  yes, but in Sri Sadananda prabhuji's words :  "running is required to
> know 'there is no need to run" :-))
>
> Thus the surrender to the Guru only is important, nothing else.
>
> >  Yes, sharaNAgati at the guru pAda kAmala can possible only in the case
> of TWO in vyavahAra is it not??  If the 'unrealized' state had never been
> there in this vyavahAra there would have been no guru, no shishya, no
> shAstra vAkya..is it not??  Two different compartments & two different
> stuff in it..we cannot mix it & got ourselves confused :-))
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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