[Advaita-l] Fw: Re: APerspective 17-2

[Sunil Bhattacharjya]

Anbuji.
Earlier you made a statement as follows:
/////// How many interpretations are there on Bhagavad Geeta from Dwaithic view to advaithic view an all in between? /////  
Then you went on to give the following statement in the last mail:
////// We in our ignorance continue to  value whether such teaching is dwaitha or advaitha, Is it necessary? ///////
Do you think that these two statements do not agree with each other ?
Regards,
Sunil K. Bhattacharjya





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--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] APerspective 17-2
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 4:41 AM

Sunilji,

Without Guru a person who is ignorant will be his own Guru.  In other words,
it is blind leading the blind.  This is why no liberation is possible
without a Guru.

As I said before the driving force is one's realization is that he suffers
from thaapathrayam.  If it is not for this realization he would be happy in
this world and have nothing to seek to get out of it.

That, namely his sense of suffering from the thaapathrayam, takes him to a
Guru. *Who is one's Guru is pre-destined by one's poorva sat karma.*  What
you and I consider as dvaita or
 advaita don't matter in the Guru-sishya
relation because the sishya has surrendered himself.

In Sivaanandalahari AachaaryaaL keeps talking of his surrender to
ParamEswara showing when one surrenders there is no two, otherwise there is
no surrender.  What is taught to *each individual *lifts him from samsaara
and releases him from thaapathraya.  We in our ignorance continue to value
whether such teaching is dwaitha or advaitha.  Is it necessary?

Regards,
Anbu

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Anbuji,
>
> Don't you agree that the personal guru can also be Dvaitavadi or
> Advatavadi? So the goal may be different depending on whether the Personal
> Guru is Dvaitavadi or
 Advaitavadi.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sunil K. Bhattachjarjya
>
> --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] APerspective 17-2
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 9:15 AM
>
>
> Dear Sunilji,
>
> How many interpretations are there on Bhagavad Geetha from dwaithic view to
> advaithic view and all in-between?
>
> A book is inert though it would help to
 seek.  But liberation is only
> through the Chaithanyam,  the personal Guru.
>
> Regards,
> Anbu
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <
> sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Anbuji,
> > What about considering the Bhagavad Gita as the Guruvakya and Lord
> Krishna
> > as the Guru.
> > Vande Krishnam Jagadgurum
> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
> > --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l]
 APerspective 17-2
> > To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 1:27 AM
> >
> > Sunilji,
> >
> > In addition to what I have said above, I think it is relevant to bring in
> > the mutual superimposition (adhyaasa) that I have mentioned in my reply
> to
> > Bhaskarji.
> >
> > The relation between the Aathman and the kosas is adhyaasa.  (If you want
> > me
> > to explain on this I will do that.)
> >
> > *This adhyaasa can be broken only by Guru Vaakya not by any self-analysis
> > however correct it may be.*
> >
> > Perhaps these self-analysis and public discussion might induce one
 to
> > surrender to a Guru.  That is the hope.
> >
> > *Surrender is the key to liberation.*
> >
> > Sri GurubyO Namaha.
> >
> > Regards,
> >