[Advaita-l] The Jnani's feeling of physical pain
bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com
Fri Sep 24 04:13:52 CDT 2010
praNAms Sri Sunil prabhuji
It seems to me that you are arguing for argumant sake.
> it is quite unfortunate that you are thinking so...I can show you
Acharya-s bhAshya vAkya in support of what I stated ( someone may fumingly
intrude and say 'no it is out of context, and these are mere words without
knowing the meaning etc. but for me it is very much within the context &
these words do mean a lot to me :-)) Anyway, if you still think it is
merely a time pass argument, then it is better to stop the discussion at
once. I am not compelling you to continue this discussion with me & waste
your time prabhuji.
Don't you think that a Brahmajnani will speak in a way befitting the
Brahmajnani and would not speak like an Ajnani, even in the Vyavaharika
> yes, this is what I too said, even in the socalled vyavahAra of the
jnAni, he is well established in that non-dual reality and he cannot
engage himself in lose talks like ajnAni..and it is the perception of
ajnAni that the absolute jnAni who is devoid of any triputi engaging
himself in avidyAkruta nAma rupAdi vyavahAra...do you know what shankara
says: even if there is tip of the hair (vAlAgramapi) duality, it is not
samyak jnAna it is avidyA only..
I gave the example of the Lord telling that he remembered all his past
births and you have not noticed that. Here He is speaking from his
Vyavaharika identity as Krishna.
> I do noticed it & did not think that it is necessary to comment coz. we
have already talked about it (jnAni's identity with his body with name &
form) a lot in all the previous related mails..
You seem to be thinking that after the Videhamukti also the Jnani should
be able to identify himself in his Vyavaharika level, which he left.
> no!! instead you are implying that videha mukti is mukhya mukti and
jnAni's understanding of the svarUpa jnAna is gauNa when he is embodied
...Here is your words :
// quote //
The Jnani lives life both at the Paramarthika level and the Vyavaharika
level and his or her Vyavaharika identity vanishes only when the jnanai
is out of the panchkoshas.
It is like a river losing its identity only when it meets the sea but not
> by saying : vanishing of vyAvahArika identity possible ONLY after out
of panchakosha (IOW physical death of the jnAni) you are implying that
whatever he achieved / realized in deha is gauNa..shankara at the very
beginning says in sUtra bhAshya thinking that having shareera (sashareeri)
is itself a big adhyAsa..
> Anyway, prabhuji, as said above, I request you to dont waste your time
with a person who argues just for arguments sake...So, it is better to
stop this discussion with a standard slogan : agree to disagree :-))
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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