[Advaita-l] Examples of bhakti rasa realization by Advaitins

[Rajaram Venkataramani]

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:42 AM, V Subrahmanian
<v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have already made several posts today.  This is the last one.
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
> rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > My view is based on Shankara's definition of Brahman being a repository
> of
> > all qualities in BSB 2.1.14. Quoting Shankara "* **'He who is called
> ether
> > is the revealer of all forms and names; that within which these forms and
> > names are contained is Brahman' (Kh. Up. VIII, 14, 1); 'Let me evolve
> names
> > and forms' (Kh. Up. VI, 3, 2); 'He, the wise one, who having divided all
> > forms and given all names, sits speaking (with those names)' (Taitt. Âr.
> > III, 12, 7); 'He who makes the one seed manifold' (Sve. Up. VI,
> l2).--Thus
> > the Lord depends (as Lord) upon the limiting adjuncts of name and form,
> the
> > products of Nescience;**" *  Please let me know why this is incorrect.
>
>
> If you read a little further down in that same bhashya you will see that
> all
> the above pertains to saguNa brahman otherwise called mAyA-shabalita
> brahman
> or Ishwara.  Shankara very clearly says soon after the portion that you
> have
> quoted above:
>
> तदेवमविद्यात्मकोपाधिपरिच्छेदापेक्षमेव ईश्वरस्य ईश्वरत्वम्, सर्वज्ञत्वं
> सर्वशक्तित्वं च, न परमार्थतो विद्यया अपास्तसर्वोपाधिस्वरूप आत्मनि
> ईशित्रीशितव्यसर्वज्ञत्वादिव्यवहार उपपद्यते ।
>
> The gist of the above is: ONLY owing to the avidyaa-born
> upAdhi-constriction
> Ishwara's Ishvaratvam, omniscience and omnipotence can be spoken of.
> However, from the Absolute standpoint that is characterized by
> Self-knowledge destroying all upAdhi-s, there is no duality consisting of
> Ruler-ruled, omniscience, omnipotence, etc. (in Brahman).  After saying
> this
> Shankara quotes an entirely different set of passages that clearly
> distinguish Brahman (not-Ishwara) from the earlier set of quotes (shown by
> you above) that are applicable ONLY to Ishwara (Brahman in association with
> Maya).
>
> So, naturally, it is only with this upAdhi-sahita Brahman otherwise called
> Ishwara can anyone have relationships like spouse, lover, child, mother,
> father, friend, master, servant, etc.  Thus all bhavas/rasas are possible
> only with Ishwara and not nirguNa Brahman.  As to the Jnani's felicity with
> relating with Ishwara we have seen enough instances: pUjArtham kalpitam
> dvaitam ....
>  **
>


>  *That I totally agree with regarding Ishwaratvam etc.. It is the nature
> of Brahman that I am talking about. Do all names and forms inhere in
> Brahman as Brahman Itself? It seems it does so in an undifferentiated form
> or non-different from Brahman like the thoughts of lotus reside in the mind
> as the mind itself. *
>
 Regards,
> subrahmanian.v
>
> >
> >
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